Digimon thread (Top 11 favorite Adventure episodes)

[Mr. Smith]

Yeah, but the franchise suffers from Indiana Jones/ inverted Star Trek movie curse in that the even seasons always suck.

My favorite as a kid was Adventure, but Savers is hands down the best of them now.

Not Tamers, not Adventure, certainly as hell not Adventure 2 which wasn't even consistently written, and not Frontier which may as well be Digimon Adventure:  Dadaist Theme Park Edition given that the characters and storyline resemble that season...except without the partners

I tried to watch Digimon Fusion once, but it just didn't do it for me. And I've heard the sequel season is an absolute pit, and I refuse to see this "Adventure revival".

Yggdrasil being punched out, humanity and Digimon working to restore the colliding worlds...that's a good note to go on.

@Antonio: I didn't know you were a troper, I am too [albeit in far lesser quantities since discovering Atlas though]

[Mr. Smith]

Don't ask me about the more recent ones, I just said I stopped after Savers/Data Squad...after Fusion/Xros Wars went too far.

The thing about Savers vs. Tamers is simply which type of main antagonist and which approach is better, but both of them are the most dynamic and seemingly well thought out. (Contrast Adventure 02's numerous dropped points and clear disorganization after the Digimon Emperor, Contrast Frontier which seemingly stretched everything out beyond entertainment. And Contrast Adventure which seemed to just be a bunch of villain arcs forced in, all tied in by "Well X is more powerful than Y"...cue Taichi groaning)

If one prefers more ambiguities and moral exploration with lots of themes simply juggled at, and a villain that is completely alien and only destruction can be understood from it, then Tamers is the ticket.

If one prefers more straight up action, one overarching theme being explored and a solid conclusion, and a villain that is too human. A villain that lets hatred, greed and power lust drive him and will ably manipulate his way to the top. Because of that, it is through understanding that one realizes there is no hope. Savers is the one then.


Also another reason Adventure 02 sucks....Leomon actually lives! I mean what kind of sorcery is that?? 

[Mr. Smith]

WRONG!

Season 2 was absolute crap, have you all SERIOUSLY forgotten  how many threads were dropped? Have you forgotten how lazily each remotely interesting villain was shoddily "working for someone else" and who was that some else at the end? MYOTISMON. And how was he ACTUALLY defeated? By "hopes and dreams"

Also it's pretty lame when a major plot point is that of destroying "things with souls", when every other Digi Destined didn't need that question, they far well when villains were too far gone.

And then all the very stupid snarls regarding the crests, the Dark Ocean....ugh.


As for Season 3, it wasn't until I began re-exploring that I finished it, and it's a shame you didn't finish Griff....stopping before the Digital World was a huge mistake. But yeah,it's hard to deny it takes a bit to really get into. I dunno, Guilmon was enough.

[Mr. Smith]

@Antonio: No worries, that's better than me, who gets way to focused on the negative.

That said, I could've forgiven it if it weren't for the ENDING, between Myotismon being the reveal after a perfectly good send-off (okay okay not entirely perfect, a crotch shot is a little bit crazy..nonetheless), the very defeat being really lame, some of the "dreams" used as an illusion did not paint the characters in a good light, and finally giving EVERYONE A DIGIMON?...Kinda takes away a lot. And the epilogue... good heavens the epilogue.

As for Tamers, it's an acquired taste and much of the meaning is missed the first time around. However it fleshes out the Digimon themselves much better, there's a lot more innocence from the main characters. And as for the dub, the dubbers were actually the least restrictive this time around. But once it gets going, it veers into Neon Genesis Evangelion/ Lovecraftian turf right where Leomon dies (And no that's not a spoiler, Leomon always freaking dies....not even Leomon expies are safe).

And glad you're considering Savers, given that many literally ran away from it because Agumon was re-used, drawn differently, and the main guy is a teenager that punches things and doesn't wear goggles...because what's a "leader" without the goggles


Concerning the cards,...I actually never collected them, just never knew where to find them. I did have one of those D-Arcs from Tamers though, but it never worked.

[Mr. Smith]

If it doesn't include that episode where Izzy falls into a warp pit and looses all knowledge...then sure.

[Mr. Smith]

If it doesn't include that episode where Izzy falls into a warp pit and looses all knowledge...then sure.

You don't like it? I thought it was generally considered an above average episode. Very creepy, yes, but that's what makes it work. It's only #9 on my list though.

It's not creepy (the episode where Tai goes back home and we meet Kari, that episode was) it's just boring, rushed and forced. Demi Devimon is obnoxious as usual, the pocket dimension isn't explored again....and Vademon just wasn't a compelling antagonist. Ultimately it was just there to shove out another Ultimate form.

Handily the worst episode in the whole season (not the worst overall, that dishonor belongs to the epilogue of 02).

[Mr. Smith]

I hated this show. I'm sorry.

The only appropriate response to that: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0qnhev2yPnq




Anyway, I used to have these all graded out.


Oh, "Forget About It"...that was episode 12, and I agree that was a good episode for all those excellent reasons.

I may have to rewatch it all again and see if my perspective has changed....it's not going to be for Episodes 24, 25 (slightly better than the preceding and succeeding episodes,just because of the hilarious bad singing,...but Mimi was at her worst as a character) or 26 (which was only there to give Sora something more than being flat).

[Mr. Smith]

You mean episode 22... 12 is the one when TK and Patamon bounce around and cuddle baby Digimon in the Primary Village.

Anyway, I'm very interested in knowing your rating of each episode. Confronting opinions is always a fascinating experience.

I did say it's been a long time.

As for Episode 24 and WHY I don't like it in better detail, that can summed up  here: http://digimon.firstagent.net/2011/08/adventure-episode-24-no-questions.html

He was slightly less bothered than I as he gave it a D, I gave it an F.

Excellent summaries and analyses of all the Digimon episodes up to Fusion

[Mr. Smith]

I disliked the Ultimate Clash just because of its misplacement. Won't call it bad, but c'mon face Puppetmon already.

The rest I agree with,...pretty amazing how scared the dubbers were with calling it death concerning Pumpkinmon and Gotsumon.

I hope the very wrongly titled "Ogremon's Honor" is up there. (That's episode where Leomon gets killed off [before it became a morbid joke], Mimi leaves her depressed funk, and FINALLY Puppetmon is defeated)

[Mr. Smith]

It's true that the Puppetmon arc feels like it lasts forever. Each Dark Master generally takes up 2 episodes, yet Puppetmon has 5! It's especially annoying because he's by far the least threatening of the four. Maybe that's actually the reason it lasts so long, the writers wrote him as more of a nuisance than a menace so that they could fit a bunch of stuff into his arc. Still, that doesn't bother me much because I choose to just ignore him and focus on that other stuff, which is pretty damn good.

And yeah, disguising Pumpkinmon and Gotsumon's death was the dub's most horrendous crime. But anyway, I despise the dub so much that I prefer to not even acknowledge its existence. Thank God the Italian dubbers were actually faithful to the source material, down to the soundtrack.

I'm not giving away my top 5, but you'll find out soon enough.

Seriously? The dub had a lot of things going for it that not even the original touched (Episodes 48-49) quality-wise:

Tai's VA was far stronger (Episode 48)
The Tai X Sora shipping made more sense
Machinedramon's defeat was treated more like a boss battle than something monumental...and rightfully so

The voice of Myotismon/Etemon [same guy] is a vast improvement over any of the other dubs.

[Mr. Smith]

You already decried my favorite just because "muh hype backlash"