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Lunar
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« on: May 30, 2010, 08:55:33 PM »

Yes:




Attack her for her substandard record on gun rights.

Obviously California cares passionately about gun rights (I grew up and spent most of my life in rural California).
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2010, 09:08:39 PM »


Only because he wouldn't be able to self-fund.  If DeVore had Carly's money, he'd be a far better candidate, even if he'd lose by a substantial margin
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2010, 08:43:56 AM »

As I mentioned on another thread, I sent Campbell a $500 contribution. What I did not say is that when I made the contribution on his website,  I sent him a personal note. Tonight I received a reply back from the man himself. Among other things, Tom said that he did not recall that he was smarter than I was. Tongue

As I said, and say again, Campbell is a fundamentally decent human being. I like him, and more importantly, I trust him.
I watched one of Campbell's speeches and he's basically a more prominent version of you haha. Everything that he talked about in the speech is something that you would post on here. It was so odd. I have no idea how somebody like Campbell can still draw support in a Republican primary. Honestly, I wouldn't mind voting for him.

     The CAGOP has its share of crazies, but it's still much better than people give it credit for. To be honest, I wouldn't mind being a member of the Republican Party if the national party were more like the Californian party.

Huh?  What?  I saw that post last night and told myself that it would make more sense in the morning, but it doesn't.
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2010, 08:49:01 AM »
« Edited: May 31, 2010, 08:53:59 AM by Lunar »


As I said, and say again, Campbell is a fundamentally decent human being. I like him, and more importantly, I trust him.

I don't disagree with you on him, I like the guy too and he's one of the most honest and practical people in public service.  But this is precisely the reason why CA Republicans will nominate a woman who embodies nothing resembling those qualities.  The CA GOP resembles kamikaze pilots more than anything else.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2010, 09:10:41 AM »


Honestly, if he were still running for governor, I would have a hard time not voting for the guy if I still lived in CA.

A decent human being in the Senate, however, isn't worth all that much, and I view Boxer as an important advocate on certain issues.
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2010, 06:38:33 PM »

As I mentioned on another thread, I sent Campbell a $500 contribution. What I did not say is that when I made the contribution on his website,  I sent him a personal note. Tonight I received a reply back from the man himself. Among other things, Tom said that he did not recall that he was smarter than I was. Tongue

As I said, and say again, Campbell is a fundamentally decent human being. I like him, and more importantly, I trust him.
I watched one of Campbell's speeches and he's basically a more prominent version of you haha. Everything that he talked about in the speech is something that you would post on here. It was so odd. I have no idea how somebody like Campbell can still draw support in a Republican primary. Honestly, I wouldn't mind voting for him.

     The CAGOP has its share of crazies, but it's still much better than people give it credit for. To be honest, I wouldn't mind being a member of the Republican Party if the national party were more like the Californian party.

Huh?  What?  I saw that post last night and told myself that it would make more sense in the morning, but it doesn't.

     Well if you figure that ~35% of California Republicans are reasonable, that's a pretty good rate. I'd gladly belong to a party with a sanity rate that high. Tongue

If he hadn't run for statewide office multiple times prior and racked up name ID, he'd be at 15%.
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2010, 07:01:47 PM »

You mean the demon-sheep views?  Well, this is all imo of course, his position is really based on the incompetence of his opponents and his name recognition more than anything else.

If you remember, Campbell was tragically forced out of the governor's race by two clowns, and is very challenged by two more clowns in this senate race.  And Campbell would have made a fantastic governor, while as Senator, he'll just be one quiet voice.  

I should say this: Campbell's email blasts are the only ones I get that speak to me like I have an IQ above 93.  That may actually speak ill of his campaign though.  Not sure, but it's interesting,
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2010, 01:28:01 PM »

..and Barbara Boxer is reelected once the boxing gloves get put on.
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2010, 09:30:04 PM »

I still don't understand how a race can go from being Campbell by 10% to Fiorina by 25% in two weeks.

Millions and millions of dollars.  Every time Campbell struggles with a major ad buy lately, Fiorina writes herself another seven figure check.

You can thank your asshole NRSC too for rallying behind an unelectable clown.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 01:34:56 PM »
« Edited: June 03, 2010, 01:37:14 PM by Lunar »

Never seen someone talking about polls in ads before.  I'm not convinced that's a winning ad, but it's not bad.

https://donate.campbell.org/initiative/beatboxer
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2010, 01:39:00 PM »

Really? Halter did it in his first runoff ad, I believe. And Conway did it in one of his last primary ads, along with a bunch of endorsements he got.

Ah, missed both of those.  But really, the poll is the #1 focus of the ad.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2010, 03:24:46 PM »

Well I did the first bit. I mailed in my absentee ballot last Tuesday. I think intrade gives Campbell about 3% odds or something. It all sucks. To add to the misery, the GOP seems trying its best to re-elect Reid. Just why voters are so irrational escapes me.


The Tea Party and the Chamber of Commerce seem to be secretly behind Reid in Nevada.   He has had Dawn Gibbons and half of the Republican establishment behind his reelection for quite some time, it's really just a continuation.
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2010, 05:57:22 PM »
« Edited: June 05, 2010, 05:59:51 PM by Lunar »

Gramps, she has the worst biography of any senatorial candidate I've ever seen.  And I've seen a candidate who had Mike Tyson be the best man at his wedding, who was roommates with a leader of a famous prostitution ring, and who made his entire fortune off of betting against the housing bubble.

Any swing voter who becomes familiar with her in the course of the election will turn to Boxer.  People like Torie hate her because she's incompetent and she can't win.

Remember, not only did HP fire her (with a golden parachute), McCain's campaign fired her after she repeatedly made gaffes on the campaign trail (remember the one where she said McCain couldn't run a big company?).  She can't win, and people like Torie hate her because she's going to be a depressing site on the airwaves from now until November, where Boxer will be reelected.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2010, 06:02:49 PM »

She was a lawyer, not running a hedge fund, as far as I can tell.  Her husband made some money doing that though.   It's not necessarily something I find outrageous, but it does make neat attack ads.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2010, 08:28:55 PM »

imo both Fiorina and Angle will  be vaporized by attack ads and their own incompetence, obviously Reid will have a greater hill to climb, although Sharron Angle is hardly a fundraising powerhouse,
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2010, 08:37:08 PM »
« Edited: June 06, 2010, 08:47:37 PM by Lunar »

Sam, the polling says Nevada loves nutters now, or what? What do you think will happen to Angle's numbers, when Reid plays over and over again, her dislike of booze (Vegas would shut down without booze), social security (she wants it eliminated), and on and on?

The polling says that Reid has the "doomed incumbent" trajectory that appears time and time again.

Doomed incumbents are not dead incumbents, however.  Just likely to die.  Maybe Angle is bad enough to warrant the exception.  Time will tell on that.

If the trajectory changes, I'll be happy to tell you.  Right now, it's playing to form.

Boxer may have that trajectory too, but I'd bet against it.  The more likely answer is that Fiorina will fit the doomed challenger trajectory (still working on the specifics of that model).  But likely any GOP candidate would.

Of course, as we've seen time and time again, candidate quality matters quite a bit.  A month ago I would have betted quite strongly on Senator Lowden.  If Angle ends up making gaffe after gaffe, and not raising much money, and gets pulvarized once her biography reaches the big leagues, that'll matter.

If she absorbs some establishment consultants and they spray paint her as a generic Republican, and hold onto that, that'll matter too.

Although, I suppose, if Nevadans hate both an no one turns out to vote, I'd imagine that the twenty people who turn out to vote are more likely to be Tea Partiers than not.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2010, 08:47:22 PM »

You might add to your Venn diagram, the scenario of the doomed incumbent against the doomed challenger, then I guess. What happens in the depths of the valley of doom?

Haha, love the phrasing.  But here's one possible result:

Although, I suppose, if Nevadans hate both an no one turns out to vote, I'd imagine that the twenty people who turn out to vote are more likely to be Tea Partiers than not.
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2010, 11:10:57 PM »

Gramps, she has the worst biography of any senatorial candidate I've ever seen.  And I've seen a candidate who had Mike Tyson be the best man at his wedding, who was roommates with a leader of a famous prostitution ring, and who made his entire fortune off of betting against the housing bubble.

You need to name who these are.

Oh, my friend, they're all the same person, and he's running as a Democrat in 2010 in your least favorite state.
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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2010, 11:16:03 PM »

??

Meek is the guy in the primary who has done none of those things.  His billionaire opponent is the culprit.
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2010, 11:49:20 AM »

Didn't Duke take like 40% in one election?
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