Fox News: Black people who have been proven innocent by DNA still=guilty

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I've tried to be polite and respectful during my five years on this forum but several people in this thread are not interested in having a rational discussion.  If you think that more Republicans are racist in 2019 than in 1964 I can't possibly have a worthwhile discussion with you.

Only because you obstinately refuse to see the reality of your own party.

How can either party possibly be more racist than they were 55 years ago?  I'm not denying that the majority of racists vote Republican in 2019.  I'm just saying that the percentage of racists has got to be significantly smaller today than it was back then.







I have two more images but they won't load.  One shows how close to 90% of Americans support Brown v. Board of Education and another showing that the overwhelming majority of Americans are open to voting for a black presidential candidate.  Both of these polls are over 20 years old.

The parties are less "segregationist".  No one defends segregation any more; it is a non-starter.

The GOP does, sadly, advocate a number of politics that blacks view as "survival issues".  In this category are things such as Voter ID laws, redistricting and gerrymandering, felony voting rights, mass incarceration and inequality in sentencing, and a number of issues in this vein.  There are many nuances to all of these issues, but today's GOP opposes the positions on these issues that blacks support almost reflexively, and they often do so knowing that at least some of these issues will affect the outcome of elections in key states.

Republicans could become more respected by simply being fair.  By dropping their opposition to voting rights, civil rights restoration, fair districts, overcriminalization, and such.  They could repudiate the spirit of the video here.  Trump, himself, could bring about a great deal of good and good will if he were willing to acknowledge some of these issues of basic fairness and lead the GOP to reposition itself.  Trump doesn't need to apologize for the 1993 ad he funded.  But he DOES need to acknowledge and publicly accept the fact that the Central Park 5 defendants have had their convictions thrown out, and accept that as a just verdict.  Sadly, I'm not holding my breath.

Sadly, fuzzy, it's not a matter of the Republicans either coming to their senses or aggressively standing up to racism both in their party and in the country. Things you describe are part of it active attempt to, as was repeatedly stated during the 2016 campaign, double down on the white vote. The GOP sees its only way to win is doing so, and likewise are attempting every measure possible to decrease the non white share of the electorate.

I'll agree with the latter part, and that's unfortunate.  But the flip side of that coin is the refusal of the Democratic Party to actually enforce our immigration laws.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/

Let's not kid ourselves.  The GOP certainly wants to keep the electorate white.  The Democrats want to increase the non-white portion of the electorate.  I don't have a problem with the latter if we're talking about Voting Rights enforcement, ending Voter ID laws as we know it, restoring voting rights to former felons, and proposals of this nature.  I'm open to different proposals on immigration provided that such proposals involve effective enforcement of our borders as part of a greater deal that would include, at a minimum, citizenship for the DREAMERS and for all aliens who have served in the military, as well as their families.  (No military veteran with an Honorable Discharge should ever be deported, period.)  But the motivation for Open Borders on the part of Democrats is also with an eye to the electorate and to electoral hegemony.  I don't condone the games the GOP plays with minority voting rights.  But when it comes to border security and motivation for not enforcing the law, the Democrats wish to pee on my leg and tell me that it's raining.  I'm willing to listen to compromises if people will get real about THAT aspect of the immigration issue and renounce it.

If only the Democrats had and enforced internment laws in the 1940s. Am I right?

What I'm saying is that both parties are motivated to manipulate the demography of America, rather than just let things happen under the law.

I'm not defending this.  This is, indeed, a dangerous place for any nation.  But please, don't tell me that it's only the GOP that is so motivated.  Don't tell me that.  If the GOP view the illegal immigrants as "The Caravan" or "The Horde", Democrats view those crashing our border as a form of "Democrats Abroad".  Neither attitude is good for America because both attitudes place party over country.

The error you're making here is assuming that there is some specific demography of America that is sacrosanct, or that only a certain amount of change is permissible. *Lots* of demographic change is affected through law already. Do we only start the "manipulating demography" charge from here forward?

[Slander and/or Libel]

I've tried to be polite and respectful during my five years on this forum but several people in this thread are not interested in having a rational discussion.  If you think that more Republicans are racist in 2019 than in 1964 I can't possibly have a worthwhile discussion with you.

Only because you obstinately refuse to see the reality of your own party.

How can either party possibly be more racist than they were 55 years ago?  I'm not denying that the majority of racists vote Republican in 2019.  I'm just saying that the percentage of racists has got to be significantly smaller today than it was back then.







I have two more images but they won't load.  One shows how close to 90% of Americans support Brown v. Board of Education and another showing that the overwhelming majority of Americans are open to voting for a black presidential candidate.  Both of these polls are over 20 years old.

The parties are less "segregationist".  No one defends segregation any more; it is a non-starter.

The GOP does, sadly, advocate a number of politics that blacks view as "survival issues".  In this category are things such as Voter ID laws, redistricting and gerrymandering, felony voting rights, mass incarceration and inequality in sentencing, and a number of issues in this vein.  There are many nuances to all of these issues, but today's GOP opposes the positions on these issues that blacks support almost reflexively, and they often do so knowing that at least some of these issues will affect the outcome of elections in key states.

Republicans could become more respected by simply being fair.  By dropping their opposition to voting rights, civil rights restoration, fair districts, overcriminalization, and such.  They could repudiate the spirit of the video here.  Trump, himself, could bring about a great deal of good and good will if he were willing to acknowledge some of these issues of basic fairness and lead the GOP to reposition itself.  Trump doesn't need to apologize for the 1993 ad he funded.  But he DOES need to acknowledge and publicly accept the fact that the Central Park 5 defendants have had their convictions thrown out, and accept that as a just verdict.  Sadly, I'm not holding my breath.

Sadly, fuzzy, it's not a matter of the Republicans either coming to their senses or aggressively standing up to racism both in their party and in the country. Things you describe are part of it active attempt to, as was repeatedly stated during the 2016 campaign, double down on the white vote. The GOP sees its only way to win is doing so, and likewise are attempting every measure possible to decrease the non white share of the electorate.

I'll agree with the latter part, and that's unfortunate.  But the flip side of that coin is the refusal of the Democratic Party to actually enforce our immigration laws.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/

Let's not kid ourselves.  The GOP certainly wants to keep the electorate white.  The Democrats want to increase the non-white portion of the electorate.  I don't have a problem with the latter if we're talking about Voting Rights enforcement, ending Voter ID laws as we know it, restoring voting rights to former felons, and proposals of this nature.  I'm open to different proposals on immigration provided that such proposals involve effective enforcement of our borders as part of a greater deal that would include, at a minimum, citizenship for the DREAMERS and for all aliens who have served in the military, as well as their families.  (No military veteran with an Honorable Discharge should ever be deported, period.)  But the motivation for Open Borders on the part of Democrats is also with an eye to the electorate and to electoral hegemony.  I don't condone the games the GOP plays with minority voting rights.  But when it comes to border security and motivation for not enforcing the law, the Democrats wish to pee on my leg and tell me that it's raining.  I'm willing to listen to compromises if people will get real about THAT aspect of the immigration issue and renounce it.

If only the Democrats had and enforced internment laws in the 1940s. Am I right?

What I'm saying is that both parties are motivated to manipulate the demography of America, rather than just let things happen under the law.

I'm not defending this.  This is, indeed, a dangerous place for any nation.  But please, don't tell me that it's only the GOP that is so motivated.  Don't tell me that.  If the GOP view the illegal immigrants as "The Caravan" or "The Horde", Democrats view those crashing our border as a form of "Democrats Abroad".  Neither attitude is good for America because both attitudes place party over country.

The error you're making here is assuming that there is some specific demography of America that is sacrosanct, or that only a certain amount of change is permissible. *Lots* of demographic change is affected through law already. Do we only start the "manipulating demography" charge from here forward?

I could care less about things such as change in race or ethnicity in America, in and of itself. 

What I am concerned about is when we allow other folks from other lands into America who are not amenable to certain things that make America not only a great nation, but a good nation as well.  I speak of (A) our system of enumerated Constitutional Rights and Individual Liberties, (B) our guaranty of a republican form of government, and (C) a commitment to the Rule of Law.  Not everyone who comes here is in favor of that.  We can talk about "diversity" all day long, and stylistic diversity is a cool thing, but when we have diversity of thought when it comes to individual liberties, a republican form of government, and the Rule of Law, then we have something different that undermines the Freedoms and Liberties we take for granted.

Not everyone who *is* here supports those things. Not everyone who *is the president of this country* supports those things.