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« on: September 27, 2018, 07:21:39 AM »

How can Kavanaugh possibly go back to being a DC Circuit Court judge after all this? I mean, I know he *will*, but how *can* he?
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2018, 09:34:16 AM »

Best part was when he claimed they would address the other allegations at a different time. He's so full of s***.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2018, 09:50:21 AM »

Everyone who has latched onto the idea that Dr. Ford is lying or mistaken should feel ashamed of themselves.
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2018, 09:59:08 AM »

It's so shameful that the Republican senators on the committee are refusing to perform their duty and question her themselves.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2018, 10:15:49 AM »

She just described Kavanaugh and Judge laughing as they assaulted her, and it was chilling. I can't imagine the monsters watching this and believing she's lying.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2018, 11:19:05 AM »
« Edited: September 27, 2018, 11:19:51 AM by Torie »

That whole airline/airplane line of questioning was stupid.
What was the prosecutor pursuing here?

Goes to her credibility and the timeline of the accusation. She's fine with flying all the time to Polynesia but not to DC?

Seems flying west is easier than flying east.


... . By that way she clearly meant flying for a vacation is supposed to to be grilled by bunch of people about the most traumatic moment in her life with open hostility.

Exactly. She likely has an anxiety about flying that she can usually get over when she needs to, but it's tougher when she's being called to testify about the time she was sexually assaulted in an enclosed space.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2018, 01:13:41 PM »

I love hearing Booker's 2020 male vote evaporate before our ears.

Stay on topic RF. I don't want any flame wars to start around you. In fact one started leading to deletions.

Why not delete his post as well, then? It's disgusting.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2018, 02:19:40 PM »

Good Lord. What is he even trying to do? He sounds like a maniac.
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2018, 02:30:00 PM »

This is some Alex Jones stuff right here.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2018, 02:34:51 PM »

It must be tough for Kavanaugh to have to relive his dad keeping a daily calendar like that.

Yup, strange point for the tears to start.
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2018, 02:35:43 PM »

If these allegations really didn't happen (or he believes they didn't happen, or wants to believe they didn't happen), can you really blame Kavanaugh for being angry?

Yes, you can. Seething rage is not an appropriate response to an allegation

If he is innocent he should be demanding an FBI investigation to clear him of all alleged wrongdoing.

Exactly. If he doesn't have any reason to doubt that Dr. Ford believes her story, then the appropriate response isn't a deranged conspiracy theory about revenge for the Clintons and declaring that everyone shall reap the whirlwind.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2018, 09:52:25 PM »


He hasn't been arrested. He would get due process if he was. He has no right to due process in a Supreme Court confirmation hearing.

As for evidence, her testimony constitutes evidence, legally. And for many of us, that was enough.

He does have a right to due process, but it is not criminal due process.

Ford's testimony is evidence, but it is contradicted by other evidence.

And Kavanaugh’s testimony is contradicted by the fact that much of it is obvious lies. He knows we know they’re lies. Devil’s Triangle isn’t some secret drinking game the Internet has never heard of. He didn’t have a joke about vomiting with his friends but only from food. These are unnecessary, insulting lies.
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2018, 09:58:17 PM »

Annoying, but expected. Frankly can't blame Manchin, Kavanaugh wasn't too bad in the hearing and he's under massive political pressure. I'm more annoyed at the process than any senators voting 'aye' tbh.

But is he really under pressure from voters who consider not voting Kavanaugh to be a total dealbreaker, but are otherwise happy to vote for a Democrat? Do such voters even exist?
I'm sure Morrisey would attack him hard for not voting for Kavanaugh, and that could sink him in a state like WV where Trump has a very high approval.

Manchin's an idiot if he thinks this will help him. The VAST majority of West Virginians who really want Kavanaugh confirmed are already in the tank for Morrisey. Whereas a lot of the Democratic rank and file who knock on doors and make phone calls will go ape $hit.

This is what I don’t get. Republicans will say, “LOL, thanks chump” and vote for Morrissey.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2018, 10:58:35 AM »

It was reported yesterday that Donnelly, Manchin, Collins, and Murkowski were all expected to vote the same way. Let’s hope that’s true.
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2018, 06:15:53 PM »

So the FBI has been provided a list of people they’re allowed to interview for this sham of an investigation. They’re not allowed to look into Kavanaugh’s college drinking habits or Mark Judge’s employment records at Safeway. It’s difficult to believe they think they’re going to get away with this. It’s like a platonic example of consciousness of guilt.
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2018, 09:17:54 PM »

So the FBI has been provided a list of people they’re allowed to interview for this sham of an investigation. They’re not allowed to look into Kavanaugh’s college drinking habits or Mark Judge’s employment records at Safeway. It’s difficult to believe they think they’re going to get away with this. It’s like a platonic example of consciousness of guilt.

Kavanaugh's college drinking habits aren't directly relevant to what happened in the summer before his high school senior year, and the investigation is supposed to be about the Blasey Ford allegation.  I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed to look at Safeway employment records but I seriously doubt a grocery store keeps detailed employment records for three and a half decades anyway.

They’re also looking into Ramirez, which happened during his college years. And his college drinking habits could certainly be relevant to corroborating claims about his high school drinking habits. And perhaps Safeway doesn’t keep those records, but why not let them ask and find out?
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2018, 10:11:21 PM »

So the FBI has been provided a list of people they’re allowed to interview for this sham of an investigation. They’re not allowed to look into Kavanaugh’s college drinking habits or Mark Judge’s employment records at Safeway. It’s difficult to believe they think they’re going to get away with this. It’s like a platonic example of consciousness of guilt.

Kavanaugh's college drinking habits aren't directly relevant to what happened in the summer before his high school senior year, and the investigation is supposed to be about the Blasey Ford allegation.  I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed to look at Safeway employment records but I seriously doubt a grocery store keeps detailed employment records for three and a half decades anyway.

They’re also looking into Ramirez, which happened during his college years. And his college drinking habits could certainly be relevant to corroborating claims about his high school drinking habits. And perhaps Safeway doesn’t keep those records, but why not let them ask and find out?

High school drinking habits shouldn't be a barrier to a Supreme Court nomination, nor should crude references in a yearbook.  The question is whether he raped anyone.  The FBI should be looking for evidence of that, not insinuations.

You’re being disingenuous. Nobody said the high school drinking habits themselves should be disqualifying. But lying about them, and whatever motivated the lie, could be.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2018, 07:56:11 PM »

CNN is saying that FBI is not expected to interview either Dr. Ford or Kavanaugh. Also, that the White House might not even make the report public.

This is absolutely sickening. Congressional Republicans are disgusting (I'm not supposed to say that because it's "offensive"). What are they hiding?

How low can the Republican Party go? They're pretty much the world's limbo champions at this point.
How much of it is it Republican interference, and how much of it is the FBI's decision on how to allocate finite resources/ time?

then give them more resources/time 

Yeah, they artificially limited the scope and time and now are hiding behind the FBI like it was their decision. Seems like if they wanted a real investigation it’d make sense not to say who to interview and how long to take up front.
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2018, 07:39:33 AM »

The problem with limiting the investigation and planning to squeak Kavanaugh through is that all the stuff they exclude will come out anyway and get an audience at next year’s House hearings on Kavanaugh’s perjury and assaults, and even though Republicans will get a SC seat they will never hear the end of this, and Kavanaugh will be under a permanent cloud. This will be used to justify Supreme Court Reform by whichever Democrat is smart enough to take up the banner and abolish the filibuster to add two seats to the Court. Republicans play a very dangerous game thinking they can make their own reality here when Kavanaugh’s past is so dirty and compromised.

That little scenario requires the Dems to pick up two seats net in the Senate.

...and a Democratic President, which should make it obvious I was looking at Act 2 taking place in 2021, after another set of Senate elections. Act 1 just requires the House to go Democratic in 2018.

Yeah, I realize that now. It probably will take more than 50 Dems in the Senate to get there though. It may be more like 54 or 55 seats. Dems in red states going there, would probably find voting for that a career ender. Just my guess. In any event, it would be a good question to ask the Dem candidate in 2020 whether he or she would support or sign  Court packing legislation. Myself, I think that would open a Pandora's box, but I will not be in the Senate, so who cares? Smiley

Why peg that point as the opening of the Pandora’s box, rather than the GOP’s unprecedented obstruction and their covering up an investigation to get an alleged sex offender on the court?
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2018, 12:19:56 PM »


It is truly surprising that the person hired to run interference for the Republicans is running interference for the Republicans.
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2018, 07:12:03 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2018, 07:17:02 PM by Figs »

Lol



A lot of Democrats regret the Nuclear Option of 2013. Some have been open about their regret. It's easy to understand why -  Yeah, it allowed them to get 98 nominations through between 2013 and 2014, and drew small dividends in 2015/16, most notably the confirmation of District Judge Paula Xinis (Md.), but they've paid for it several times over, through the republican retaliation of killing off 62 nominations by various means during Obama's last two years, the judicial and executive confirmations under Trump, and the republicans becoming able to swat it away for SCOTUS with complete unanimity (Which Dems did not have in 2013) and very little flak from the media.

Yes, one could argue that the nominations filibuster was on borrowed time anyways and the Republicans would have abolished it themselves eventually, so why bother feeling regret, but that's like saying Democrats would have held the Souter seat open had it become available in 2008 instead of 2009, so we shouldn't fault Republicans for rejecting Garland - it's an unprovable hypothetical that doesn't change the fact that Democrats lit the spark in terms of filibuster abolishment.



2005, Gang of 14. That was a functional abolition of the filibuster for judicial nominees when the White House and senate were both controlled by Republicans. They preserved the filibuster only under the condition that it could not be used. Claiming Dems lit the fuse in 2013 is ignorant of history.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2018, 08:46:31 PM »

3) Dems agree to not try to impeach Kavanaugh from his current job, with the promise that if they ever do, Republicans will make the nation default on its debt or something equally terrible.

WTF?
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