CNN Brooklyn, NY Democratic debate @9pm ET **live commentary thread**

[The Other Castro]

Unless Clinton shows up on stage wearing a Red Sox cap and starts eating pizza with a fork and knife, this probably won't effect the outcome of the NY primary too much.

[The Other Castro]

Just started watching, this is weird.

[The Other Castro]

So, what is Clinton's actual position on the minimum wage that she's trying to say? She supports a $12 min wage because a $15 min wage is too much, but she's also for the $15 minimum wage?

[The Other Castro]

Whoaaaa shots fired at Bill.

[The Other Castro]

So, what is Clinton's actual position on the minimum wage that she's trying to say? She supports a $12 min wage because a $15 min wage is too much, but she's also for the $15 minimum wage?

She supports a $12 min wage nationwide, but encourages any city or area (especially those with higher costs of living) to increase further to $15 or beyond.

Except she was also asked if a Democratic Congress passed a national $15 minimum wage, would she sign it, and she said yes.

Well sure, if a Democratic congress wants to go ahead and push it that far, then fine.  But $12 is a good, safer start for the most of the country.

If the person agrees with that latter part, it means that person is for the $12 minimum wage and not a $15 minimum wage. Saying otherwise is trying to have it both ways.

[The Other Castro]

I wonder how many times Clinton has said Obama during this debate.

[The Other Castro]

It astounds me that people listen to Sanders and actually believe he will achieve anything. This ideological purity stuff is just such bullish-t.

It astounds me that anyone can believe anything that Clinton says.

[The Other Castro]

Soooooo....who is winning so far?

Not the audience.

[The Other Castro]

A good answer on Nato.

Also surprised Sanders shares the same opinion as Trump on this.

Trump might be crazy in many regards, but some things are common sense enough that he can stumble onto the correct position.

[The Other Castro]

We do our allies a disservice when we are afraid to call them out. Not saying that Israel was disproportionate in its response when you believe it was helps no one.

[The Other Castro]

Sanders did well on foreign policy this time around. Not-as-strong 1st Half counters this.

He was floundering.  Every time Hillary spoke she talked about her personal relationships with foreign leaders and achievements on the global stage.  All Bernie had was a couple of prepared lines that he repeated over and over.  How many times did he say "you barely mentioned Palestine when you spoke at AIPAC"?  He had his bumper-sticker lines and equivocating stances.  Hillary had depth to spare.

Except he was actually the one answering the questions. You do realize Clinton has been using that tactic to avoid answering every single question during this debate?

[The Other Castro]

This is the new Sanders thing.  Because Clinton gives a nuanced answer instead of just bluntly saying yes/no without adding any depth or thought to it, she "didn't answer the question."  He's done it at least ten times this debate.  Now I see his supporters have picked up on it.

On the Israel thing, she spent a good two minutes delivering her answer.  Just because it wasn't a simple yes/no answer to a very complex question doesn't mean she dodged the question.

There's a difference between nuanced and dodging. What Clinton is engaging is anything but nuance, it is a long and winding tale to distract from anyone realizing that she didn't actual answer a single question.

[The Other Castro]

What Clinton is engaging is anything but nuance

(not true, by the way)

Did you listen to her touching on some specifics of the geopolitics of energy in Europe? Sanders never touched anything that obscure and informed tonight. On the environment in particular she was way more nuanced than Sanders.

I listened to her answers as well but I also listened to the questions. There's a reason we have these debates, and Clinton does not answer the questions in her responses. It is unfair to Democratic voters that we have no idea where she really stands on the issues being posed to her.

[The Other Castro]

What Clinton is engaging is anything but nuance

(not true, by the way)

Did you listen to her touching on some specifics of the geopolitics of energy in Europe? Sanders never touched anything that obscure and informed tonight. On the environment in particular she was way more nuanced than Sanders.

I listened to her answers as well but I also listened to the questions. There's a reason we have these debates, and Clinton does not answer the questions in her responses. It is unfair to Democratic voters that we have no idea where she really stands on the issues being posed to her.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it a dodge.

I assure you, she answered the question.  Actual policy isn't yes/no, actual policy is "in this case, I would do A, but if this were to happen, I would do B", or "thing A is bad, but thing B is much worse, so while I do not like thing A and think it could be better, I won't denounce it because it's better than thing B."  Sanders' fake, simplistic policy is "I would do A" or "thing A is bad", which makes it easy to answer questions like "would you do A?" or "is thing A bad?" with "yes."

Except she doesn't come close to approaching that level of an answer either. There's no need to patronize when you clearly do not understand what constitutes an actual answer. Some questions are indeed yes or no, and some require some more explanation to fully answer in responses. Clinton's responses are so far off from anything resembling an answer that I have to wonder if she's even hearing the questions. If you actually believe Clinton has been answering these questions, I don't know what to tell you.

[The Other Castro]

The question on Israel was not a question on policy, it was a question of response. Did she think Israel's actions were disproportionate? That is a yes or no question, to which she avoided in an obvious manner. That was not her response to the $15 question either, so you're just incorrect in that regard.

[The Other Castro]

The question on Israel was not a question on policy, it was a question of response. Did she think Israel's actions were disproportionate? That is a yes or no question, to which she avoided in an obvious manner. That was not her response to the $15 question either, so you're just incorrect in that regard.

Disproportionate in what sense?  Relative to what?  She thinks Israel's actions are bad but not entirely unjustified or disproportionate given that Palestine is full of terrorists and they camouflage themselves as civilians to bring about more civilian deaths.

This is what she said, I'm sorry it's not a yes or no answer but what it is is a nuanced, thoughtful and realistic answer, the kind of answer we need from a president.

Again, listening to what the actual questions were would help you realize how clearly she was trying to avoid answering them.

[The Other Castro]

The question on Israel was not a question on policy, it was a question of response. Did she think Israel's actions were disproportionate? That is a yes or no question, to which she avoided in an obvious manner. That was not her response to the $15 question either, so you're just incorrect in that regard.

Disproportionate in what sense?  Relative to what?  She thinks Israel's actions are bad but not entirely unjustified or disproportionate given that Palestine is full of terrorists and they camouflage themselves as civilians to bring about more civilian deaths.

This is what she said, I'm sorry it's not a yes or no answer but what it is is a nuanced, thoughtful and realistic answer, the kind of answer we need from a president.

Again, listening to what the actual questions were would help you realize how clearly she was trying to avoid answering them.

She was trying not to give a stupid, simple-minded answer, because she recognizes that these are complicated issues that deserve more thought than Sanders gave them.

You can believe what you want to believe and I'm clearly not going to change your mind, but that is just simply untrue.