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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« on: May 06, 2024, 11:18:47 PM »
« edited: May 15, 2024, 11:07:06 AM by Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon »

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Officeholders Need to Show up Amendment

To the end of Article VIII Section 3 of the Constitution, add the following:

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3. If any officeholder, elected or appointed, federal, regional, or subregional, fails to vote in a regularly scheduled election they are eligible to vote in, they shall immediately and automatically forfeit any office held or won. Additionally, for one's election to office to be valid, they must cast a vote in said election. This clause shall be enforced beginning with the June 2024 elections.


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Amendment Explanation:

This amendment will help remedy the situation of chronically absent officeholders leaving themselves and the nation in limbo for months, by having any officeholder who misses a regularly scheduled election automatically forfeit any office held or won, and by requiring one to vote in an election in order to win any election. This does NOT require one to vote for any particular candidate or affect anyone's citizenship.



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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2024, 11:23:12 PM »

This imposes a minimum standard for activity by those who hold office, merely requiring that they vote in any election they win, and that they show up for all regularly scheduled elections for which they are eligible. This is a simple, easily attainable requirement that will ensure the people we elect to office will at least login occasionally.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2024, 01:10:50 AM »

24 hours for objections
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2024, 05:05:35 PM »

I do think the game needs to expeditiously clean house of its total zombies on various sides, but I'm prepared to support thus regardless of the amendment's fate.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2024, 05:05:52 PM »

A vote is open on the amendment.

Abstain
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2024, 11:02:07 PM »

Ex post facto laws are prohibited by the Constitution so really not sure what the objection to this amendment is.

This is not a law, it's a constitutional amendment, it doesn't need to meet the conditions of what a "law" can or cannot be.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2024, 11:45:02 PM »

Ex post facto laws are prohibited by the Constitution so really not sure what the objection to this amendment is.

This is not a law, it's a constitutional amendment, it doesn't need to meet the conditions of what a "law" can or cannot be.

So just to be clear, even though the Constitution states that Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, it would be perfectly fine for Congress to add a separate amendment creating an official state religion without getting rid of the contradictory bit in Article II, section 3?

Where it is impossible to enforce two parts of the Constitution simultaneously, the newer text should control.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2024, 05:19:31 PM »

Amendment Adopted 5-0-5-8
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2024, 12:18:33 AM »

Motion for a final vote
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2024, 11:16:43 AM »

If this gets ratified in June, will that make it an ex post facto law? If so we’d need to extend the timeframe for enforcement to August.

If it is passed here in a timely fashion, Fremont will ratify it concurrently with its local elections. Lincoln will have a special booth to ratify it. That will complete the 2 required regions.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2024, 10:14:21 AM »

A final vote is beginning

Aye
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2024, 11:06:48 AM »

The vote is 6-3-0-9. A two thirds vote of the entire chamber being necessary, this fails.
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