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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« on: August 15, 2021, 05:43:47 PM »

I'm open to hearing Ishan's testimony here. We need to rejuvenate the region somehow.

If we actually do go forward with this seriously there may be other clauses we have to modify, such as the clause relating to impeachment of deputies.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2021, 08:28:45 PM »

You do realize that having direct democracy would be the same thing as this. So basically everyone can vote and introduce bills except for the Governor and it basically abolishes the legislature, there is a legislature but everyone (except for the Governor) is in it.


Well yes, but this is a vast change from what we have currently. A legislature of over 100 people is different from a legislature that is at most 7 (and usually less), at least from a logistical standpoint of the number of votes the speaker must validate and count.

There would also be questions about how to manage the queue - it's impractical to have 100 slots or something. Even if we have a rule that states only 1 bill per citizen at a time, or 1 bill per citizen per fortnight or something, it could still be gamed (perhaps according to party leadership direction) by a dozen or two citizens to lock anyone else out of it, eventually resulting in a system where there is an effective unelected legislature of those who introduce bills - yes everything would go to "referendum", but a small elite unelected group would decide what the referendums are. One potentially good answer to this concern is establishing committees like they have in RL Congress - everyone can introduce bills, but a select group of members who understand x issue area decide what receives full consideration with respect to that issue. I would carry over the Consensus Calendar portion as well - If you demonstrate broad support somehow, you bypass the committee process. However, this would require having a set of Lincolnities particularly concerned about health care, another particularly concerned about taxes, etc. and I'm not sure if we have that, and having people willing to be committee chairs also seems to be a challenge.


Further, as such a legislature would include zombies, I do have some concerns about party leaders mass pming people on key legislative votes. This could cause an almost endless campaign situation which would only further polarize the game and potentially lead to long term burnout.



I'm not currently ready to vote Yes on this, but I think the debate is worth having and if we can settle some of the logistics ahead of time I could be convinced to pass this.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2021, 06:52:50 AM »

You could give me emergency powers....

How are you envisioning this being structured - i.e. what would trigger it, how could it expire or be revoked, what would the powers cover and not cover, etc? I'm not just voting to make you the Irrevocable king for life lol.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2021, 08:45:00 PM »

In my capacity as sponsor I hereby object to this going to a vote during final business this week. Rather than forcing a vote that would fail, perhaps unanimously so, I think we should continue the discussion and perhaps eventually make this work.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2021, 11:58:49 PM »

Pursuant to:

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J. Any Deputy may remove their sponsorship of a bill at any time. If no Deputy sponsors the bill within 24 hours, the bill shall be removed from the floor.

I hereby remove my sponsorship of this bill. In addition to it being highly unlikely to have the support to reach a public referendum, I do not believe Atlasia is currently active enough to support such a system. Lincoln population, at 150+ just five short months ago, is now just 108, and has dropped 28 in the last addition of "The Fallen" alone. Activity on the boards seems to be very slow. Not saying this couldn't be an idea worth fleshing out at some later point, but this isn't the right time to attempt it.
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