HB 22-02: Federal Assault Weapon and Automatic Weapon Ban Act (Passed)

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This bill will prevent all mass shootings, and every Atlasian should stand in strong support.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This bill will prevent all mass shootings, and every Atlasian should stand in strong support.

Can you name a single mass shooting in recent history that involved an automatic weapon?

Automatic weapons are essentially already banned, so no. But plenty of mass shooting have involved Assault Weapons, at least under the bill's definition thereof.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This bill will prevent all mass shootings, and every Atlasian should stand in strong support.

Do you seriously think everyone will turn in their guns?

Anyway, yeah I oppose this bill for reasons already discussed pretty much everywhere in Atlasia for the past year or so.

This. Not a single person who owns a gun that fits the extremely vague description given in this bill has any reason to give their guns up. Nor does the federal government have any authority to take them away.

As the bill doesn't address confiscation, my guess is Police would simply confiscate such weapons whenever they are found when fining/arresting someone for some other offense.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This bill will prevent all mass shootings, and every Atlasian should stand in strong support.

Do you seriously think everyone will turn in their guns?

Anyway, yeah I oppose this bill for reasons already discussed pretty much everywhere in Atlasia for the past year or so.

This. Not a single person who owns a gun that fits the extremely vague description given in this bill has any reason to give their guns up. Nor does the federal government have any authority to take them away.

As the bill doesn't address confiscation, my guess is Police would simply confiscate such weapons whenever they are found when fining/arresting someone for some other offense.

Which they have no authority to do, especially since the guns were legally acquired.

Legally acquired, but illegally possessed. The executive branch has every right to enforce the law through direction of our law enforcement personnel.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This bill will prevent all mass shootings, and every Atlasian should stand in strong support.

Do you seriously think everyone will turn in their guns?

Anyway, yeah I oppose this bill for reasons already discussed pretty much everywhere in Atlasia for the past year or so.

This. Not a single person who owns a gun that fits the extremely vague description given in this bill has any reason to give their guns up. Nor does the federal government have any authority to take them away.

As the bill doesn't address confiscation, my guess is Police would simply confiscate such weapons whenever they are found when fining/arresting someone for some other offense.

Which they have no authority to do, especially since the guns were legally acquired.

Legally acquired, but illegally possessed. The executive branch has every right to enforce the law through direction of our law enforcement personnel.

This bill is so poorly written it does nothing to actually outline anything needed to actually make something illegal. The federal government has absolutely no right to pass this, and no right to enforce this.

True, I'm disappointed this bill doesn't have a specific process for confiscation or punishment. But if it did, you'd just switch over to an attack on said confiscation/punishment. Let's not pretend your opposition comes from anything more than partisan hatred of everything the Labor Party does.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

"make laws necessary for the enforcement of the Constitution "

This law enforces the constitution by keeping section 7 of the bill of rights properly constrained to the limits intended by the leftist government that led the writing thereof.

I also remind the Honorable Fhtagn that the Supreme Court is 4-1 Left.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I don't support this.

Unless I am mistaken, we already have a universal background check system and so long as we can ensure the people buying guns have a clean record and who know the safety requirements, I think the right to own guns should be respected. The issue of gun violence is very serious and a lot more can be done to reduce gun deaths. There are many underlying issues that may lead someone to commit a gun crime: mental health issues, their financial situation, their social relationships and even if this bill was extremely successful in its aims, these crimes would move to other weapons, like knives. Obviously, gun crime and knife crime are not equivalent in terms of the damage they cause, but the point I'm highlighting is there are other approaches to dealing with this issue which aren't going to be so divisive and which won't require an authoritarian approach to policing.

Why should people be able to own such dangerous weapons like the assault weapons one?

I don't agree with your premise. These guns will be widespread and available regardless of whether or not we pass this bill.

"Drugs will be widespread and available regardless, so let's legalize Heroin with no excise Tax!!"

Even if this bill stops only a single mass shooting, or only results in 5 or 10 guns being turned in or confiscated, it will still be an accomplishment to pass it.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Given that the original writer of the bill and supporters of the bill outright refuse to adequately address serious concerns with this bill, and that the bill as written is unconstitutional, I'm going to motion to table this.

Since when are you the entire SCOA, lol. Far from clear this is unconstitutional

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I don't support this.

Unless I am mistaken, we already have a universal background check system and so long as we can ensure the people buying guns have a clean record and who know the safety requirements, I think the right to own guns should be respected. The issue of gun violence is very serious and a lot more can be done to reduce gun deaths. There are many underlying issues that may lead someone to commit a gun crime: mental health issues, their financial situation, their social relationships and even if this bill was extremely successful in its aims, these crimes would move to other weapons, like knives. Obviously, gun crime and knife crime are not equivalent in terms of the damage they cause, but the point I'm highlighting is there are other approaches to dealing with this issue which aren't going to be so divisive and which won't require an authoritarian approach to policing.

Why should people be able to own such dangerous weapons like the assault weapons one?

I don't agree with your premise. These guns will be widespread and available regardless of whether or not we pass this bill.

"Drugs will be widespread and available regardless, so let's legalize Heroin with no excise Tax!!"

Even if this bill stops only a single mass shooting, or only results in 5 or 10 guns being turned in or confiscated, it will still be an accomplishment to pass it.

Ineffective laws don't deserve to pass.

Then I look forward to your vote to legalize all drugs

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

The only real question is if the House wants to prevent mass shootings. If they do, they must vote Yes.