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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« on: June 23, 2019, 12:59:26 AM »

While I have strong ideological disagreements with the user that was insulted, the form of attack used was nonsensical, inappropriate, and patently childish, especially considering it was used in the voting booth. This is not acceptable - whether it comes from the left or the right. We are a better game than this.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2019, 03:03:08 PM »
« Edited: July 22, 2019, 04:39:14 PM by Lumine »

Bumping this to state it once again, please stop misusing the Voting Booth to post personal attacks or something of the kind.

I really don't like having to take action there, but I think made it fairly clear that it is clearly inappropriate, and what the result will be.

If this decides the election, we'll see you in court.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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E: -1.42, S: -0.52

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2019, 03:10:03 PM »

Bumping this to state it once again, please stop misusing the Voting Booth to post personal attacks or something of the kind.

I really don't like having to take action there, but I think made it fairly clear that it is clearly inappropriate, and what the result will be.

If this decides the election, we'll see you in court for your fraud.

Let moderators doing their job. Atlas issues > Atlasia issues.

To a point yes, but when Lumine is deciding who wins an election, it crosses a line and should lead to in game consequences.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2019, 03:16:45 PM »

This goes against literally every precedent that’s been set over the last few years on what is and isn’t acceptable in the voting booth. At this rate there will be seven or eight left wing votes being deleted in the midterms.

This. Reminder that f***  Kingpoleon was left alone in 2016.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
Dwarven Dragon
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E: -1.42, S: -0.52

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2019, 06:24:24 PM »
« Edited: July 22, 2019, 04:39:30 PM by Lumine »

For the record, many people do prefer a hands-off approach, and a hands-off approach was what your predecessors did (and what you did initially).  Such an approach, especially in the voting booth, allows the winner to be well, the actual winner, rather than simply the candidate whose voters satisfied the latest changing standard of what qualifies as a "personal attack", which honestly seems to shift every few months on this site.

It's sad that we are in a point where one of the exceptions likely being established to the 'no double posting in the voting booth law' is deletion by a mod or admin, but such legislation is a necessity.

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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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E: -1.42, S: -0.52

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2019, 08:06:39 PM »

I still fail to understand why ballots that violate the TOS can't simply be edited to remove infringing content.

Involves even  deeper trust required in mods, as that would enable them to not only remove a vote for a candidate, but also give a vote to their opponent.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2019, 08:55:35 PM »

You’d need to amend the constitution to pass such legislation, as the constitution explicitly bans posting twice at present.

We are aware of that
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
Dwarven Dragon
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Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -0.52

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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2019, 04:57:43 PM »

Maybe a better option here would be to work on some legislation to discourage people from using their ballots to throw shade at other users.

Well, Atlasia apparently used to have rules against campaigning in the voting booth, but the Supreme Court found them unconstitutional Tongue

Wait, "used to"? You can campaign in the voting booth now? Huh

I think it's because the rule is hard to enforce. There is no definition of campaining (adding an insult, justify a vote, use the write-in line to write a message).

If we are having problems now I would go back to ballots are to vote only, you can only write names of Atlasian citizens on a ballot. 

The current wording of our constitution does not allow us to regulate campaigning in the voting booth, per BK vs Rpryor (2016). The Senate is currently in discussion towards an amendment that would reinstate the rule, albeit under a strict and narrow definition of campaigning.
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