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« on: March 26, 2018, 11:06:45 PM »

Reminder that Democrats were complicit in getting Secretary Ross confirmed. Serves them right:
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00073
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2018, 11:16:05 PM »



Because that would have mattered? This request came from the White House, even if not directly.

Right, but 21 Senate Democrats - almost half the caucus - voted to confirm him, making them partially complicit in allowing this action to be taken. Seems like an appropriate punishment.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2018, 11:43:16 PM »

Virginia, Cabinet confirmations should not be about whether a hypothetical "second choice nominee" would be better or worse. They should instead be based on the merits of the actually nominated person. I don't care that Republicans had the votes to confirm this guy on their own, or that a second choice nominee wouldn't have been any better - It was clear from the start that Ross was a terrible choice for the job, and because of that, Democrats should have put up all 48 of their votes against him.

This is worse than the Ajit Pai thing. Only a few choice characters broke off for that. With this guy, almost half the Dem Caucus voted for him! I know you're obligated to spin this in the best way possible for your party, but Dems are complicit. It's just the way it is.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2018, 11:56:27 PM »

Virginia, Cabinet confirmations should not be about whether a hypothetical "second choice nominee" would be better or worse. They should instead be based on the merits of the actually nominated person. I don't care that Republicans had the votes to confirm this guy on their own, or that a second choice nominee wouldn't have been any better - It was clear from the start that Ross was a terrible choice for the job, and because of that, Democrats should have put up all 48 of their votes against him.

This is worse than the Ajit Pai thing. Only a few choice characters broke off for that. With this guy, almost half the Dem Caucus voted for him! I know you're obligated to spin this in the best way possible for your party, but Dems are complicit. It's just the way it is.

Just because half of Dems voted to confirm a guy that all 52 GOPers voted to confirm doesn't make the new question good policy. Dems are complicit but why aren't you blaming the 52 Republicans here for doing the same?

The 51 Republicans who voted to confirm him (Isakson was absent that day) are complicit. But at least they support this sort of thing, and can therefore justify their vote. Democrats, on the other hand, voted to confirm this guy in significant numbers, and now suddenly act shocked and outraged that he's being the terrible commerce secretary he was always going to be. It's an amazing excercise in hypocracy.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2018, 12:32:18 PM »



Iowa's an interesting addition, given it's completely controlled by Republicans. Also, worth noting that VT, DE, DC may not have standing as their district counts wouldn't be affected.
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