8th Circuit Court of Appeals rules against Planned Parenthood

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Planned Parenthood will no longer receive funding from state taxes in AR! Praise the Lord!

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/16/planned-parenthood-medicaid-funding-arkansas-241706

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

You know this is just going to lead to more back alley abortions, right?

Some people want go back to those dark days where some women would die in those back alleys or have serious medical complications...

The whole "back alley" line is like saying we should legalize rape because then it would occur out in the open where the public would eventually intervene, rather than making it illegal so it is done in more concealed places. The problem with this line of argument is that it assumes that the action performed (abortion, rape, etc.) is inherently good or at least unavoidable. I don't believe that abortion is good or unavoidable (in a situation where it is illegal, I believe that everyone is capable of following the law), and the harder it is to get an abortion, the less abortions occur. While I get those who are really adamant will go to the back alley, those who are on the fence, or those who want an abortion but don't feel they want it enough to go through walls of steel (so to speak) to get it, will likely forgo the abortion if their local abortion center closes, and that is where unborn lives are saved.

Yes, let us cheer for reduced funding for cancer screenings and STD treatment. Huzzah indeed. 

Community Health Centers do far more of those than Planned Parenthood, and if funding that once went to PP is instead redirected to them (as these defunding bills generally do), they can definitely pick up the extra "labor" from the closing of the local PP. Also, with its recent surge in donations, PP can probably mostly survive w/out government funds anyways. Furthermore, I have no reason to believe PP actually abides by the hyde amendment, and even if it does, receiving funding to help pay for its other services frees up money from private donations to help pay for abortion, thus allowing PP to lower the cost of an abortion and thus make the murderous procedure more avaliable.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

You know this is just going to lead to more back alley abortions, right?

Some people want go back to those dark days where some women would die in those back alleys or have serious medical complications...

The whole "back alley" line is like saying we should legalize rape because then it would occur out in the open where the public would eventually intervene, rather than making it illegal so it is done in more concealed places. The problem with this line of argument is that it assumes that the action performed (abortion, rape, etc.) is inherently good or at least unavoidable. I don't believe that abortion is good or unavoidable (in a situation where it is illegal, I believe that everyone is capable of following the law), and the harder it is to get an abortion, the less abortions occur. While I get those who are really adamant will go to the back alley, those who are on the fence, or those who want an abortion but don't feel they want it enough to go through walls of steel (so to speak) to get it, will likely forgo the abortion if their local abortion center closes, and that is where unborn lives are saved.

Yes, let us cheer for reduced funding for cancer screenings and STD treatment. Huzzah indeed. 

Community Health Centers do far more of those than Planned Parenthood, and if funding that once went to PP is instead redirected to them (as these defunding bills generally do), they can definitely pick up the extra "labor" from the closing of the local PP. Also, with its recent surge in donations, PP can probably mostly survive w/out government funds anyways. Furthermore, I have no reason to believe PP actually abides by the hyde amendment, and even if it does, receiving funding to help pay for its other services frees up money from private donations to help pay for abortion, thus allowing PP to lower the cost of an abortion and thus make the murderous procedure more avaliable.

It is a very backward & an extremist position to take - To ask for a ban. Most civilized countries in the world have moved beyond abortion & women have the right to decide what to do with their own bodies.

The honest thing would be is that Evangelical abortion dogmatic people should admit that they like Christian Sharia law & only oppose the right of a woman what to do with her body because it goes against their religious beliefs. It is a radical extremist position to take in 2017 compared to global standards & people should stop pretending to be moderates.

These hypocrites support endless wars, they support a dysfunctional healthcare system where millions die but then they suddenly pretend to care about a freaking fetus inside a woman's womb !

I can't speak for pro lifers as a whole, but I support ObamaCare and my opposition to Abortion would remain intact even if I stopped believing in God.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

You know this is just going to lead to more back alley abortions, right?

Some people want go back to those dark days where some women would die in those back alleys or have serious medical complications...

The whole "back alley" line is like saying we should legalize rape because then it would occur out in the open where the public would eventually intervene, rather than making it illegal so it is done in more concealed places. The problem with this line of argument is that it assumes that the action performed (abortion, rape, etc.) is inherently good or at least unavoidable. I don't believe that abortion is good or unavoidable (in a situation where it is illegal, I believe that everyone is capable of following the law), and the harder it is to get an abortion, the less abortions occur. While I get those who are really adamant will go to the back alley, those who are on the fence, or those who want an abortion but don't feel they want it enough to go through walls of steel (so to speak) to get it, will likely forgo the abortion if their local abortion center closes, and that is where unborn lives are saved.

The actual statistics are against you.  When you make PP and safe abortions less available,  unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions go up, not down.   

You're living in a fantasy land if you think you can ever completely get rid of abortion altogether, it's not ever ever ever ever happening.   

And making a parallel from rape to abortion is completely disgusting.

Unwanted pregnancies do not automatically lead to abortions, and you are assuming that abortion for convenience reasons is unavoidable, which again, I do not believe. I believe we can create a society where no one gets an abortion, aside from the usual exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, and I believe legislation is an effective vehicle to achieve that. I will also point out that the stats you refer to don't perfectly apply because we have not operated under a "total ban with exceptions" system in any state since 1973.  Furthermore, you are assuming that someone will find a way to get an abortion regardless of its legality, and I honestly think this shtick that the democrats have cooked up that all women with unwanted pregnancies are so adamant about terminating them that they are incapable of following the law is honestly pretty insulting to women, as it suggests they have no regard for the basic framework of society.

And it's only disgusting to draw the parallel I did if you see abortion as a moral action, which I obviously don't.