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« on: July 23, 2017, 11:48:30 PM »

Democrats do need a messaging correction, but embracing single payer would only hurt them. Plus, it's a socialist, unamerican system.
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2017, 11:56:09 PM »

Democrats do need a messaging correction, but embracing single payer would only hurt them. Plus, it's a socialist, unamerican system.

As unAmerican as... roads, bridges, emergency response services, social security, medicare...


The first three are absolute necessities, the last two fall to destroy an entire industry. Single Payer completely abolishes private insurance (destroying an entire industry, and thus millions of jobs), rations care, and is far from the only way to provide health care to the nation. It makes sense that it should be viewed on a different level than things like roads and the fire station, and it must be avoided at all costs.
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 12:01:23 AM »

Democrats do need a messaging correction, but embracing single payer would only hurt them. Plus, it's a socialist, unamerican system.

As unAmerican as... roads, bridges, emergency response services, social security, medicare...


The first three are absolute necessities, the last two fall to destroy an entire industry. Single Payer completely abolishes private insurance (destroying an entire industry, and thus millions of jobs), rations care, and is far from the only way to provide health care to the nation. It makes sense that it should be viewed on a different level than things like roads and the fire station, and it must be avoided at all costs.

I don't know, honestly. Public health seems to fall right in line with the "absolute necessity" category, imo, especially when industries are making more and more profit out of people's well-being. Something about that is just not right.

Private insurers don't need to disappear. A public option would be just that, an option.

I'm open to the idea of a public option. But a public option /=\ single payer. Single payer means the government pays for everything and you can't opt out.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 12:42:43 AM »

Democrats do need a messaging correction, but embracing single payer would only hurt them. Plus, it's a socialist, unamerican system.

As unAmerican as... roads, bridges, emergency response services, social security, medicare...


The first three are absolute necessities, the last two fall to destroy an entire industry. Single Payer completely abolishes private insurance (destroying an entire industry, and thus millions of jobs), rations care, and is far from the only way to provide health care to the nation. It makes sense that it should be viewed on a different level than things like roads and the fire station, and it must be avoided at all costs.

You can still have private insurance with a single payer system. Free roads put a lot of turnpikes out of business.

Private Insurance with some single payer elements is our current system, and I'm definitely looking to improve that, potentially by adding a "public option". What I am opposed to is a full single payer system, under which private insurance is banned.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 01:02:50 AM »

Democrats do need a messaging correction, but embracing single payer would only hurt them. Plus, it's a socialist, unamerican system.

As unAmerican as... roads, bridges, emergency response services, social security, medicare...


The first three are absolute necessities, the last two fall to destroy an entire industry. Single Payer completely abolishes private insurance (destroying an entire industry, and thus millions of jobs), rations care, and is far from the only way to provide health care to the nation. It makes sense that it should be viewed on a different level than things like roads and the fire station, and it must be avoided at all costs.

You can still have private insurance with a single payer system. Free roads put a lot of turnpikes out of business.

Private Insurance with some single payer elements is our current system, and I'm definitely looking to improve that, potentially by adding a "public option". What I am opposed to is a full single payer system, under which private insurance is banned.

We don't have single payer. Canada has single payer. You can get private insurance to get your own hospital room.

Canada's system is not true single payer then.
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