Schumer threatens government shutdown if GOP includes Wall in budget

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If Schumer is seriously going to hold up the entire government over funding for planned parenthood, he deserves to be forcibly removed from office. The american people knew that republicans wanted to defund this murderous organization, they voted for it, and they deserve to see it happen. And at the end of the day, if we have to shut down the government for a month or two to get such a murderous organization defunded, then I say shut it down! The ends justify the means.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If Schumer is seriously going to hold up the entire government over funding for planned parenthood, he deserves to be forcibly removed from office. The american people knew that republicans wanted to defund this murderous organization, they voted for it, and they deserve to see it happen. And at the end of the day, if we have to shut down the government for a month or two to get such a murderous organization defunded, then I say shut it down! The ends justify the means.

It's 2017 not 1917 abortion is the law of the land an on top of that as many have pointed out time an time again PP doesn't do a lot of abortions so by defunding you'd be hurting women's healthcare more then stopping abortions

Trump explicitly offered to drop his support of defunding PP if they stopped performing abortions. PP said this in response:

https://www.facebook.com/centerformedicalprogress/photos/a.1621514461423852.1073741828.1592459800995985/1856168574625105/?type=3&theater

Calling abortion a service that's as vital to your mission as birth control/cancer screenings really takes any believability out of the 3% statistic. If something is only 3% of your business, then by defintion it isn't as important as other services you provide. By denying that definition, PP is denying the 3% statistic.

A wall is a stupid issue to shut the government down over. Let the republicans own the boondoggle fully. If it turns out to actually be cost effective and work than great. Even stupider is a government shutdown over public funding of abortion, especially considering how incompetent democrats are at PR. If anything, do it over something with popular support, like climate change.

No federal funding goes towards abortions. The funding that PP gets is for other, non-abortion services

1. I have no reason to trust that PP actually follows the law.
2. Even if we assume that they do (a very risky assumption), the fact is that by giving them money to fund this service or that service, it frees up more money to spend on abortion then would otherwise be avaliable, therefore allowing the performance of more abortions.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Trump explicitly offered to drop his support of defunding PP if they stopped performing abortions. PP said this in response:

https://www.facebook.com/centerformedicalprogress/photos/a.1621514461423852.1073741828.1592459800995985/1856168574625105/?type=3&theater

Calling abortion a service that's as vital to your mission as birth control/cancer screenings really takes any believability out of the 3% statistic. If something is only 3% of your business, then by defintion it isn't as important as other services you provide. By denying that definition, PP is denying the 3% statistic.

No, they aren't. Perhaps if you are eager to believe they are far more involved in abortion it does. Their position on this seems more out of principle - that they (rightfully) value their services in relation to abortion and the help it provides, and that they don't want to be bullied around by a bunch of conservatives emboldened by a big league sexist who weaseled his way into the White House without even plurality support, and has thus breathed new life into hack schemes like defunding PP, which, btw, do not enjoy public support either.

Well, that goes against your party's talking point that PP is an organization that focuses on birth control, cancer screenings, and mammograms, and doesn't focus on abortions. This really  shows how incoherent the democrats are here. They say we can fund PP because abortion is a very small % of what it does, reject dropping the service because it's "as vital as everything else", then deflect the charge that that invalidates the 3% statistic because "they value their services in respect to Abortion", which invalidates the talking point that cancer screenings, mammograms and birth control is their main focus.

Of course, the truth is that Dems are in love with Abortion and want to fund it, but know that centrist voters don't like it, so come up with a slew of bad talking points to get away with it. But don't worry, you don't have to use those talking points anymore, because PP will be defunded, and the the issue will be dead. And if that means we have to shut down the government for a month or two, then I say shut it down!

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This might be what is needed to defeat all the red state Democrats in 2018.

I want those guys to survive, but if it comes to it, I'll take defunding pp over keeping them around.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Ugh, I don't think shutdowns are helpful or justified, regardless of which party does them. If PP actually does get defunded, it's going to backfire on Republicans enormously, or "big league" if you will.

For whatever reason, even though this country is around 55% "pro-choice", only about 40% of the country is "pro-choice, and I seriously consider the issue when voting". I'll believe that the defunding of PP will be a significant electoral cost to Rs when I see it, and not before.