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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« on: September 10, 2016, 11:27:42 PM »

New Averages with ABC poll.

LV*
Clinton (D)   43.2
Trump (R)   39.4
Johnson (L)   9.4
Stein (G)   3.3

Not sure how you're landing at these numbers. Via RCP (and this site for the ABC poll), I'm seeing for Johnson with LV when avaliable:

CNN: 7%
ABC: 9%
CBS: 10%
NBC: 10%
Fox: 9%

Which computes to 9% even, not 9.4%. I know Johnson claims he's at 12% in CBS, but I can't find the poll where he got that in RCP or Atlas - the most recent thing I see is http://www.cbsnews.com/news/where-do-trump-and-clinton-stand-going-into-the-general-election/, which clearly says he's at 10% in the document at the bottom.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2016, 02:22:38 PM »

Have CPD said something since the announcement? If they changed the rules or something.

They haven't said anything regarding the rules since their august comment where they suggested they might be willing to round up a 14.5%.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2016, 07:52:13 PM »

At this point, the CPD will be criticized no matter what they do. If they take Johnson at his word that including him in a debate will make him/Weld stop suing them and complaining about them on the trail, they'll be criticized for ridiculously breaking their own standards. If they exclude Johnson, they'll be criticized for setting their standards in a way that they knew would exclude him. They probably should just include him. Johnson does have a point in that the media is still ignoring his campaign half the time, that about half of registered voters still say "who?" when asked about their opinion of Johnson, and that there is no opportunity in terms of ability to promote your candidacy that is comparable to the debates (among opportunities that are theoretically available to third parties; obviously we'd never get wall to wall coverage of the libertarian convention). Also, during the town halls he seemed to use Weld as a crutch quite a bit, I'd like to see how he does when he can't do that.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2016, 08:10:53 PM »

^ I'm not completely sure about that. After all, back when they reauthorized the standards last October, they felt it was necessary to write several paragraphs explaining why they weren't changing them. They didn't do that in 2012. And on Stein, about 80% of the country has no idea who she is, so.....
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 01:03:57 PM »

Here is the last update before the first debate, now with the latest ABC poll.

Clinton (D)   43.0
Trump (R)   41.6
Johnson (L)   7.4
Stein (G)   2.6

They will probably send out the invites for the second debate this week. Friday would mark 10 days before the debate and for the first debate they announced 10 days before.

They did it after the VP debate in 2012.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2016, 07:57:05 PM »

Johnson holds steady at 7.4 with the new Fox Poll.

The CNN/ORC poll is close to a month old, other than that this is probably what his number will be when the CPD reevaluates sometime next week. The CNN/ORC poll would need to find Johnson to be at 45% for him to get in under the rules.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2016, 07:53:37 PM »

It's Clinton and Trump again for Debate 2: http://www.debates.org/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=70&cntnt01origid=27&cntnt01detailtemplate=newspage&cntnt01returnid=80
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2016, 11:11:37 AM »

Again no change for Johnson with new NBC poll.
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2016, 01:35:03 PM »

With new NBC, it's Johnson 7.2, Stein 2.0
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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E: -1.42, S: -0.52

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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2016, 05:15:57 PM »

Johnson 7.0, Stein 2.2 with New Fox Poll
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