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« on: July 02, 2016, 01:55:35 PM »

Couldn't Bel Edwards as the keynote spark a revolt among Sanders supporters? He's pretty moderate.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2016, 01:54:51 PM »

Sanders wants Tim Canova to beat DWS in the primary, which would likely send her into resignation from the DNC out of embarrassment.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 03:40:07 PM »

It doesn't really look like there is going to be a massive floor fight over the platform at this point. The delegates coming looking for a tussle are probably going to be disappointed.

Sanders wants a floor fight on TPP.
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2016, 03:08:41 PM »

There's a rumor that the TX Democratic party sent out this tentative schedule of speakers for the DNC:

Monday - Elizabeth Warren
Tuesday - Bill Clinton and Bernie Sanders
Wednesday - Barack Obama and the VP nominee
Thursday - Hillary Clinton

No Joe or Michelle? Cry

Obviously this is not the entire list of speakers. More than six people will speak at the convention.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2016, 11:06:40 PM »

Anyone heard if Al Gore is speaking? I know there isn't much love lost between he and Hillary, but putting his face on national television might help remind a few Bernie or Busters what happens when you waste your vote on a third-party.

Honestly I don't think a five or ten minute speech from someone who has been out of politics for 16 years is going to sway anyone who wasn't already behind Hillary. Not to mention that #BernieorBust people are mostly young people who probably don't know very much about the 2000 election - and the quick and dirty explanation of it boils down to "Really close race that depended on Florida, and the SCOTUS decided it." - Ralph Nader only comes into play in a deeper conversation, and to the uninformed person it can kind of seem like a lame excuse rather than anything with real substance - "I lost because the other guy blah blah blah". So unless Al Gore is going to outright criminalize Nader on the stage, which would look really weird, I don't think he swings a meaningful number of voters.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2016, 05:28:22 PM »

Proposal to eliminate supers was defeated in rules committee but could end up on the floor via minority report

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-2016-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-allies-226068

Gross. Dems are asking for trouble here. It's blatantly obvious that superdelegates have outlived their usefulness (actually, they've never had any to begin with.)

If they're ever so desperate that they're willing to disregard democracy and cause a massive clusterf**k, they could just unbind the delegates altogether. So I really don't see what purpose the supers serve.

With the supers, the establishment has the power to save the party from a bad nominee. Yes, the supers have never collectively gone against the pledged delegate winner, but if the democrats were about to screw themselves over in what they think is a competitive GE (if you're going to ask why they didn't overthrow Mondale, that's probably because they knew Reagan was unbeatable.), the pressure would be on the supers big time.

With unbinding everyone, you have to go through the trouble of actually changing the rules. With that, the "dangerous democratic winner" would do what they could to stack the committee with their members, like Trump did to a point (although there was some establishment anti-unbinding people) and the attempt to change the rules could easily fail. With the superdelegates, there's no rule change needed. You already have the unbound delegates. All they have to do is vote how they need to in the roll call vote to save the party.

In fact, there's nothing stopping the supers from choosing Bernie, if they wanted to. Clinton isn't at 2383 with pledged alone (Sanders didn't formally submit the papers to suspend his campaign or release his delegates).

Ultimately, with Trump winning and Sanders coming way too close to doing so, I just don't think voters should be trusted to do what's right for the party at the presidential level. Dems should keep supers, and Repubs should have them. There's a check in the general with the actual real life electors that are free to overturn the actual PV in all but two states (a bunch more states punish the electors for doing so, but only two actually throw out the votes), there's no reason a similar check shouldn't be done in the primary. The founding fathers had the right idea when they made the presidency an indirect election, and this year shows it.


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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2016, 10:47:13 AM »


YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!

GO CANOVA GO!
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