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« on: February 03, 2016, 07:45:46 PM »

If they don't include Fiorina, they are nothing but a sexist network. 8 candidate debates work just fine.
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2016, 11:49:48 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2016, 07:06:48 PM »

Fiorina's twitter reveals that Romney, Gingrich and Cruz among others are pressuring ABC to quit it with the sexism.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 01:07:02 AM »

Who's excluded from the debate? Is it just Fiorina and Gilmore now?

Yes. Gilmore I could care less about, but excluding Fiorina is clear sexism that ABC should be ashamed of.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 03:31:59 AM »

Who's excluded from the debate? Is it just Fiorina and Gilmore now?

Yes. Gilmore I could care less about, but excluding Fiorina is clear sexism that ABC should be ashamed of.

No it isn't. She's not doing well enough either nationally or in New Hampshire.

Yeah, they put out criteria. But it's not like there was a real mystery as to what that criteria would produce at the time of its release. ABC news knew it would likely exclude Fiorina.

Look, with only 8/9 candidates running, there's really no reason to have anything more than minimal criteria. You can fit 8 or 9 candidates on the stage just fine. Fiorina is an important voice as the only woman, and had Romney, Gingrich, Ayotte, Cruz, and Carson saying she should be included. For ABC to design the criteria it did and stick to it is Sexism - the only reason the criteria existed was to create an excuse to avoid a lawsuit.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 11:59:41 AM »

Fiorina isn't an important voice as the only woman.  She's gotten close to an hour at these debates to speak, and in that hour, what unique perspective has she brought as a woman?

ABC put out the debate criteria before Iowa happened.  Three candidates dropped out afterwards.  It's not like they made the choice specifically to exclude Fiorina, they were excluding Paul, Huckabee, and Santorum as well.  It just so happens that all those guys dropped out and Fiorina's the only one of the four who can't take a hint.

It's not sexist at all to pick criteria and stick to it.  Rand Paul was a whiny bitch about the criteria before the CNN debate, and CNN relented and let him in, and everyone criticized them for it.  But now that it's Fiorina whining, people say it's sexism.  Was CNN being sexist when they wanted to exclude Rand?  Because it's literally the exact same decision, with the exact same motivations.

If Carly really wants to make it onto the stage she should do better.  Chris Christie got that sixth place spot with 3% in the national polls, it ain't that hard to beat.  The truth Carly is unable to face is that the networks already moved heaven and earth to give her her chance in the sun, and while she made the most of it that night, she's been a flop ever since.

Rand didn't have Romney and Gingrich pushing for his inclusion, and at that point having a cut was justified because the number of candidates was still high enough where they couldn't all debate at once. Now that we only have 8 real candidates, there's no such issue. You can have all 8 debate without any problem. So there's probably some degree of sexism that goes into the exclusion, especially since in Iowa, Fiorina beat two of the people that will be included, giving further reason to not cut her.
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