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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« on: January 08, 2016, 03:15:57 PM »

Nice try, Ryan, but no:

Obama Vetoes Obamacare Repeal Bill, Obviously - http://huff.to/1PTiHR2
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2016, 02:01:30 AM »
« Edited: January 10, 2016, 02:03:16 AM by Wulfric »

How in the world did this get past the filibuster? The 6+ Democrats who voted for cloture should be expelled and primaried.

Join us if you're unhappy with your party! Why do they have to agree with you? 30 of the 60 Democrats who voted for Obamacare have lost their jobs due to our right to vote. 

Found a source for this claim: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/half-of-the-senators-who-voted-for-obamacare-wont-be-part-of-new-senate/article/2555721

But as it outlines, not everything is due to ObamaCare.

Lost reelection (8):

Begich
Pryor
Udall
Hagan
Landrieu
Feingold
Lincoln
Specter

Retired, replaced by a Republican (8):

Rockefeller
Baucus
Johnson
Harkin
Nelson
Dorgan
Bayh
Burris

Retired, initially replaced by republican, seat now held by democrat (1):

Kirk (MA)

Retired, replaced by a Democrat (10):

Webb
Lieberman
Kohl
Akaka
Bingaman
Dodd
Kerry
Kaufman
Conrad
Levin

Died in Office (3):

Byrd
Inouye
Lautenberg

The bottom two categories obviously had nothing to do with ObamaCare. Among the 17 in the Top 3, we have some special cases:

Appointed Senator who never had an intention of running for a formal term: Kirk (MA)
Retired despite being likely to win re-election: Harkin, Dorgan, Bayh
Lost in Primary: Specter

So, that takes it down to 12. I could technically also nix Baucus because he was replaced by a Democrat for a few months after he was appointed as an ambassador, then Daines was elected as the formal replacement in November, largely because the appointed democrat couldn't run due to a plagarism scandal, leaving a gadfly candidate with the nomination. But I'll let that one slide because Baucus announced he wouldn't run for re-election months before the appointment, and wasn't safe for re-election by any means. And a complete, no-holds barred devil's advocate response would result in nixing all the retirements, because none of them were completely hopeless in terms of getting re-elected. That gets us down to 7.

So, nice try, but no. Even being as generous as possible, we only get to 17, not 30.

 
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Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2016, 02:06:51 AM »

The GOP should send him an acrostic bill that repeals Obamacare via code, and see if he accidentally signs it.

It's interesting to wonder how "hidden" a message can be in a bill before it ceases to have any enforceable effect.

Legal esotericism?

e: Or what if an aide mixed up documents and accidentally sent this to Obama to sign? Does Obama actually need to physically sign or veto bills, anyway? What is the procedure here?

Yes. Obama himself has to sign or veto it. (If he does nothing, it becomes law on its own after 10 days, unless Congress goes out of session) He is not required to give any reason for his actions, however.
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