Is Obama a Muslim?

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

No. He's not much of a Christian either though.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

No. He's not much of a Christian either though.

This is sort of where I come down on the issue.  I'll take his profession of faith as enough to consider him a brother in Christ, but, in all honesty, I don't know of an instance where his Christian faith would trump (Oooh, I said "trump", lower case!) his political ideology, or, at least, the issue positions he is required to hold to be in good standing with the Democratic Party Establishment.

What if his own reading of Christian teaching informs his politics, and it happens to be different from yours?

No reading of Christian teaching says killing is good, but that's exactly what Obama is doing when he advocates for abortion. No Christian, including myself, follows the bible to the letter. All of us reject some part of it. But when you advocate breaking the 10 commandments and criticize those who advocate for not breaking them, as Obama does with abortion, then you cross that red line into not being a real christian.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

That's an insane thing to say, that the abortion debate can only jive with Christianity in the specific way that you say. There are many Christians who consider themselves pro-choice. You're trying to make the argument that all of them are by definition basically lying?

They can call themselves a Christian, but I don't consider them to be one. Even demons are capable of merely believing in god. Real christians follow his word. Now, if your position is along the lines of "I support allowing abortion because people need to realize how bad it is on their own.", that's okay. But when you say that those who criticize abortion are indecent, anti-woman individuals as Obama does, then I refuse to buy into this lie of you being a Christian, because no true Christian would effectively say that breaking the 10 commandments is an ok thing.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

That's an insane thing to say, that the abortion debate can only jive with Christianity in the specific way that you say. There are many Christians who consider themselves pro-choice. You're trying to make the argument that all of them are by definition basically lying?

They can call themselves a Christian, but I don't consider them to be one. Even demons are capable of merely believing in god. Real christians follow his word. Now, if your position is along the lines of "I support allowing abortion because people need to realize how bad it is on their own.", that's okay. But when you say that those who criticize abortion are indecent, anti-woman individuals as Obama does, then I refuse to buy into this lie of you being a Christian, because no true Christian would effectively say that breaking the 10 commandments is an ok thing.

You realize that there is a diversity of opinion on this, right? That other people don't see it as breaking the 10 commandments? I understand that you don't, and I suppose that's fine, but being anti-abortion is not a litmus test for being a Christian. It may be a litmus test for being your particular brand of Christian, but that's it.

Do you view opposition to SSM as another such litmus test?

No. I don't. The interpretation of the bible used to get to that point is ridiculous in my view, but I can agree to disagree there. But the 10 commandments are the most important commands that God has ever issued. They are meant to withstand any and all tests of time You can't just casually wave them away. The condemnation of homosexuality, that's outside of the 10 commandments. But not having an abortion sits right there with the prohibition on stealing and believing in idols. No interpretation of the bible can allow you to wave it away and still be a good christian.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Thou shalt not have an abortion is not one of the ten commandments.

Abortion = killing. The commandments prohibit killing.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Thou shalt not have an abortion is not one of the ten commandments.

Abortion = killing. The commandments prohibit killing.

Exodus 21:22-23:

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That's one chapter after the Ten Commandments, Jack.

That simply reinforces the 10 commandments. Abortion is killing, and the 10 commandments say "Thou shalt not kill".

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

So the punishment prescribed for this is the same as the punishment prescribed for murder?

I'd convict the doctor performing the abortion of 2nd degree murder, and the mother  of assisting another in committing murder. I'd assign the usual punishment under current us laws for both crimes.