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« on: March 09, 2015, 11:42:06 AM »

Walker said in 2011 that he wouldn't touch private sector unions. So much for that.

Walker = Romney 2.0
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2015, 07:12:22 PM »

LOL at you silly "liberals" feigning outrage about this. Everyone knows Mary Burke would've done the same thing.

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Nice Joke.

But for the record, this is one of the races where there was really good contrast between the two candidates. Burke's problem was the year she chose to ran in, her ties to Fmr. Gov. Jim Doyle, and her lack of experience holding political office. It wasn't that she didn't draw a clear contrast with Walker.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 12:27:47 AM »
« Edited: March 10, 2015, 01:25:13 AM by Wulfric »

I think RTW is okay if we do it the right way. Here's my ideal RTW bill:

1. Paying Union Dues is optional to work at a given business, but it is required to receive union-negotiated pay, benefits, etc. (It's unfair for people who pay Union dues to receive the exact same package as people who don't bother to pay such dues. Those who don't pay dues must negotiate directly with the business for which they work. People shouldn't be forced to join unions as a condition of employment, and by the same token, Unions shouldn't be forced to provide any union-negotiated benefits to those not paying union dues.)
2. Yellow Dog Contracts, or any other contract which prohibits workers from forming or joining unions, would not be allowed (this would help ensure that Unions available yet optional, which I believe should be the goal of RTW.)
3. A statement along the lines of "In no way shall this bill be construed to say that Unions are generally bad or should be prohibited. It just allows people to choose whether they want to be a part of them and the benefits they may include, nothing more and nothing less."


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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2015, 12:39:23 AM »

I think RTW is okay if we do it the right way. Here's my ideal RTW bill:

1. Paying Union Dues is optional to work at a given business, but it is required to receive union-negotiated pay, benefits, etc. (It's unfair for people who pay Union dues to receive the exact same package as people who don't bother to pay such dues. Those who don't pay dues must negotiate directly with the business for which they work. People shouldn't be forced to join unions as a condition of employment, and by the same token, Unions shouldn't be forced to provide any union-negotiated benefits to those not paying union dues.)
2. Yellow Dog Contracts, which prohibit workers from forming or joining unions, would not be allowed (this would help ensure that Unions available yet optional, which I believe should be the goal of RTW.)
3. A statement along the lines of "In no way shall this bill be construed to say that Unions are generally bad or should be prohibited. It just allows people to choose whether they want to be a part of them and the benefits they may include, nothing more and nothing less."




Or you could just do nothing. The whole necessity of laws like this is a false dilemma.

The current culture is one where people are often told "Join the Union, or you can't work here." Why should people be required to join unions as a condition of employment?
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2015, 01:24:33 AM »

I think RTW is okay if we do it the right way. Here's my ideal RTW bill:

1. Paying Union Dues is optional to work at a given business, but it is required to receive union-negotiated pay, benefits, etc. (It's unfair for people who pay Union dues to receive the exact same package as people who don't bother to pay such dues. Those who don't pay dues must negotiate directly with the business for which they work. People shouldn't be forced to join unions as a condition of employment, and by the same token, Unions shouldn't be forced to provide any union-negotiated benefits to those not paying union dues.)
2. Yellow Dog Contracts, which prohibit workers from forming or joining unions, would not be allowed (this would help ensure that Unions available yet optional, which I believe should be the goal of RTW.)
3. A statement along the lines of "In no way shall this bill be construed to say that Unions are generally bad or should be prohibited. It just allows people to choose whether they want to be a part of them and the benefits they may include, nothing more and nothing less."


Yellow dog contracts are already illegal in private employment and have been since 1932.
Doesn't Walmart prohibit unionization? They may not call it a yellow dog contract, but it's effectively the same thing.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2015, 11:36:48 AM »

Yellow dog contracts are already illegal, but the law isn't enforced.
Then ban all similar contracts and enforce the law.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2015, 04:52:56 PM »

The current culture is one where people are often told "Join the Union, or you can't work here." Why should people be required to join unions as a condition of employment?

I work for a company where people are often told "wear business casual attire, or you can't work here." Why should be required to dress a certain way as a condition of employment? I don't know. It's the company policy. If you don't like it, don't work there.
Monarch, is there anything you agree with your party on? You come off as more of a mainstream democrat than a republican.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 07:13:12 PM »

There's nothing conservative or capitalistic about right to work. The system as is works just fine.

I don't want to join a union, so I don't work for a union company. I don't see why I need this law protecting me.
So you don't have to abruptly change jobs if your workplace ever becomes unionized.
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