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« on: December 11, 2014, 07:28:31 PM »

Not the bill I would have wanted, but far better than a shutdown.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 07:31:06 PM »

Didn't Boehner say they'd just pass a short term funding bill if this one fails?
Yes, assuming that can pass the house.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 11:08:56 PM »

The Republicans won the election, so let them drive the agenda. Excellent job, Obama, for putting the national interest ahead of petty feuds over minor partisan grievances and compromising like a statesman to avoid a government shutdown.

The Republicans won the election because Democrats didn't stand for things enough. If Obama signs this, it won't even matter who wins the elections any more, unless we can get President Sanders.

In other news of Democrats sucking hard, the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that an employer can choose to not pay you for half an hour of mandatory security screening a day.

No, the Republicans won because the stopped nominating nut bag tea party candidates who wanted to shut down the government over every minor slight. Which is exactly what you want Dems to start doing so they can lose even harder.

LOL, the Republicans took a hard-line a year ago, and then did well in the last elections. Are you going to claim to me that Ernst and Tillis are some sort of moderates?
The republicans took a hard line a year ago, true. But then they learned from that by not causing another one last January, last September, or now. Also, instead of ignoring TP primary challengers as they did in 2010/12, republicans nationwide actively invested in primaries everywhere from KY to SC to KS to GA, working to get the best candidates they could (Sure, Tillis isn't great, but he's more electable than Brannon/Harris. Ernst was the strongest candidate in that primary aside from perhaps Jacobs.) . They improved their GOTV massively from 2012. Sure, they spent tons of money on Corbett/Land that they probably should have redirected to RI/CT/NH/VT/VA . But other than that, the republicans campaign operation was pretty flawless and that's why they did so well across the country.

Tillis isn't going to cause a shutdown. As for Ernst...we'll have to see. She is the one that scares me the most.


LOL, I tuned into Fox News for a bit, and Sean Hannity and his panel were bashing Boehner for "not standing up to Obama on immigration," or something like that.  Lol.

Hannity obviously didn't see the part of the bill that only funds Homeland Security until February......
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2014, 11:21:05 PM »


Is it just me, or did the democrats literally give in to everything the GOP asked....
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2014, 11:25:55 PM »

The Republicans won the election, so let them drive the agenda. Excellent job, Obama, for putting the national interest ahead of petty feuds over minor partisan grievances and compromising like a statesman to avoid a government shutdown.

Obama also won an election with a bigger mandate than they did, but he didn't get to implement his full agenda because there was divided government. And there is still divided government. Meaning neither side should get everything they want. But in this "deal", the Republicans got everything, and Democrats got essentially nothing. The only thing that Democrats got is that now Boehner will have to wait another year before doing yet another extortion gambit. But even that isn't a real victory since he'll be doing it again in two short months, except solely with DHS funding.

And we hit the debt ceiling on Feb. 15. It's going to be a really contentious month.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2014, 11:35:36 PM »

Actually, the democrats did get some small things.

from : http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/10/politics/policy-riders-spending-bill/index.html?hpt=po_c1

More wheat bread for school lunches: Republicans wanted to block new nutritional requirements for school lunches under a program championed by First Lady Michelle Obama. But instead of wiping out the rule, Republicans and Democrats agreed to give local schools more flexibility on how they decided to include whole grain items on school menus.

White potatoes get top billing: A new provision was added requiring that the Women, Infants and Children program that provides food assistance to low income families include fresh vegetables, and includes an explicit requirement for white potatoes.

New sexual harassment training for Hill staffers: The measure requires the Chief Administrative Officer, the office that oversees the thousands of aides working on Capitol Hill, to develop an online training program focused on sexual harassment. Earlier this year, Louisiana GOP Rep Vance McAllister was caught kissing a member of his own staff.

There's also some neutral things that I like:

Old fashioned light bulbs still allowed: The bill blocks new energy efficient standards that would have made incandescent light bulbs obsolete. Consumers had complained about the new requirements.

No more taxpayer money for expensive portraits: Committee chairs and other high ranking government officials in Washington often commission large, often very pricey portraits of themselves to hang in hearing rooms. Under the bill they would need to use private money to pay for any new portraits.


Also, here's what it doesn't do:


The bill doesn't block the president's executive action on immigration. Conservatives wanted to use the spending bill to strip away money for any agencies tasked with implementing the president's new policy. But the legislation continues funding for the Department of Homeland Security through the end of February.

The deal doesn't roll back any major portions of Obamacare - it allows for continued funding at the current levels. Last fall the GOP's effort to defund the health care law as part of the spending bill resulted in a government shutdown, a move leaders pledged they didn't want to repeat this year.


But aside from that, most of which is fairly minor, the democrats got nothing.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2014, 01:20:10 AM »

Phil Gingrey voted for it. Wow.....

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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 12:27:57 AM »

What's the rationale for voting aye on cloture and nay on the final bill? Just to be able to say they voted against it?
So they can say that they didn't hold up the senate cruz-style, while still opposing the bill itself.
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