Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

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Twitter is a disease.

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But it was Hillary and her voters who acted entitled.
Amirite?

https://twitter.com/meaganmday/status/1177250292745662466

Wrong, stupid, and entitled BS. Speaking of wrong and stupid BS,

The establishment's official propaganda arm is back on their bullmess, apparently saying that people who support Bernie over Warren must be sexist.

I don't think I need to explain the problem with this. Just another example of vile anti-Bernie bias from MSNBC.

I would hope that even people who aren’t personally fond of Sanders could agree that this woman’s analysis is beyond awful, but I’d probably be hoping in vain. She’s not helping Warren at all by saying that.

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Glad that Sanders isn't pushing himself too hard. It can take a while to recover completely from something like this.

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I get what he was trying to say, but that was a very poor way to put it.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/468278-manchin-says-he-wouldnt-back-sanders-against-trump-in-presidential-race

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said he would not back Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a 2020 presidential match-up against President Trump.

Manchin told Fox News he would “absolutely not” support Sanders’ agenda, calling it “not practical where I come from.”

When Fox News’s Neil Cavuto asked whom Manchin would vote for if the Vermont progressive ended up becoming the Democratic presidential nominee, Manchin responded, "Well, it wouldn’t be Bernie.”

Remember kids: vote blue no matter who only matters to you if you're on the left.

Moderates really need to learn to practice what they preach when it comes to “compromise.” Those who say that progressives need to “shut up and get in line” if Biden is the nominee better do the same themselves if Sanders or Warren win.

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The wealthy and powerful are terrified at the prospect of a Nominee and/or President Sanders. News at 11.

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I really hope that Sanders and Warren can settle this in the debate or elsewhere (this would be preferable), since neither of them have anything to gain by going negative against the other. It would simply alienate people who would support them over Biden. It sounds like a misunderstanding that has just spiraled out of control as more people other than the candidates themselves have interpreted what was (possibly?) said in the worst way possible.

It should be pretty obvious that Sanders isn't a sexist, and that Warren doesn't believe that he is. Sanders may have meant to say that Trump will run an even nastier campaign against a woman, but it came out wrong. Sanders should clarify what was said, and I'm sure that he will, but I'm guessing those who don't like him won't believe him.

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If a Sanders supporter were to claim that they'd vote Republican up and down the ballot in 2022 to put a "check" on Biden, they'd rightfully get an earful.

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Proud Trump supporter here (in case any of you might not be aware). I'm thinking of voting for Bernie in the New York primary to #StickItToTheEstablishment. Should I?

Absolutely. I'll give you a high-five as an added bonus if you do.

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Proud Trump supporter here (in case any of you might not be aware). I'm thinking of voting for Bernie in the New York primary to #StickItToTheEstablishment. Should I?

Absolutely. I'll give you a high-five as an added bonus if you do.

Thank you. Wanna hang out if I ever visit Seattle this year?

Seems New Yorkers never actually come out here, but sure.

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There's a megathread for this already.

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Criticizing Sanders for his recent attack on Biden is one thing, and I get people being upset about it, even if I think it's fair for Sanders to criticize Biden on it. Attacking him for this... what's the point? It's not like he forgot about the Vietnam War or something like that.

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Criticizing Sanders for his recent attack on Biden is one thing, and I get people being upset about it, even if I think it's fair for Sanders to criticize Biden on it. Attacking him for this... what's the point? It's not like he forgot about the Vietnam War or something like that.

If Biden said something like this, it would be labeled as proof of dementia and Biden being unfit for office.

And his supporters would be calling it a ridiculous attack, calling his detractors "desperate." What's your point?

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Recent polling looking really good for Sanders. His path to the nomination is looking clearer than ever. Winning IA (very possible/likely), NH (likely), NV (possible), and winning on Super Tuesday in CA, UT, CO, OK, MN, VT, ME, and MA (if Warren is out of the race this will be easy). TX would be the cherry on top.

While I'm very skeptical that Sanders could win TX, I would like to see a poll. If he can come at all close (plausible, given his high support among Latinos), that's huge for him, given his margin of defeat in 2016.

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You know the Sanders surge is real when even 538 admits it

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Sanders is at his highest polling average in IA this entire Presidential cycle, and leading by more on average than he ever did against Clinton in Iowa in 2016.

Did he ever lead Clinton in the Iowa polling average?

I think he led by 0.2% for one day, and was tied a couple of times. I'm not sure he ever led a single poll by as much as 9%, though.

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Of course Sanders isn't getting his proposals through a Republican Senate. Neither is Biden. Or Buttigieg, Warren, etc. Part of the reason why many of us support Sanders is because we need to shift the conversation. That might be all we're able to do for now, and is the first step in bringing about real change.

Let's be honest. America is behind the developed world. Trump has made it worse, but it started quite a bit before him. Our healthcare system is worse and leaves far too many people without the treatment they need, which too often literally leads to people dying. We're falling further behind in education, and as someone who works in education, it's getting worse, not better, and has been this way for a while. Income inequality is getting worse.

Of course, most Democrats already know this, but too many have a defeatist attitude about it, or think that "incremental change" is the solution. If we say that universal healthcare is just a pipe dream, the education system is the way it is and there's nothing we can do about it. Can't afford college without going into massive debt? Tough s***. If we talk this way, we're conceding the debate to Republicans, and not offering anything substantially different. And the problem with "incremental change" is that too many in this country can't afford to wait decades for the cost of treatment they need to be affordable, 18 year-olds can't wait until they're 50 for college to be affordable, and slight changes to our emissions won't be enough to prevent the enormous consequences of climate change. The result of incremental change is that we'll fall further behind the developed world.

Democrats need to start framing these as moral issues, as they did with healthcare in 2018. We're talking about the lives of Americans, and fighting to help millions of Americans literally stay alive and get what they need to earn a basic living, while allowing corporations to get a few extra billion dollars is a higher priority for Republicans than actually improving the lives of American citizens. Sanders's message is all about shifting the conversation to frame universal healthcare, affordable education, and large-scale measures to combat climate change as our moral obligation, not as if they're overpriced goods like a fancy pair of shoes. We can't enact real change until we get a mandate, and that's not going to happen until the conversation shifts.

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Somehow the Sanders Campaign got my number and I never gave it to them. I'm afraid to tell them to stop texting me though.

Well they have to stop texting you if you tell them to do so, so I don’t see what the problem is

The problem is that he wouldn't be able to complain about it on US Election Atlas dot org and cite it as evidence that Sanders is terrible as is everyone who supports him.

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Somehow the Sanders Campaign got my number and I never gave it to them. I'm afraid to tell them to stop texting me though.

Well they have to stop texting you if you tell them to do so, so I don’t see what the problem is

The problem is that he wouldn't be able to complain about it on US Election Atlas dot org and cite it as evidence that Sanders is terrible as is everyone who supports him.

Unlike you, I don't take this message board seriously enough to be that methodical. Seriously, I don't want to tell them to stop because I don't know if the person behind the messages is one of the more unhinged people who will go off and start sending insults or threats. Anyone can sign up to do texts, so you don't really know who is texting you.

Get a life outside of Bernie Sanders. There are politicians I support, but I don't shape my entire life and existence around. I don't sit around thinking about ways to set you people off. For heaven's sake.

If you look at my 5-year posting history, you'll be surprised to find that I in fact do have a life outside of Bernie Sanders. I've only spent more time defending him recently since many have been freaking out about him gaining in the polls after writing his obituary over the summer (I'll admit I didn't think he had much of a chance then, either.) The fact that you'd immediately assume the worst about a Sanders supporter that you don't know says a lot, especially since they don't have more than your number.

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There are substantive reasons to prefer other Democrats over Sanders... and then there’s foaming at the mouth like we see in that article. It’s nothing but recycled talking points that have been addressed again and again and again. “Sanders IsNt A dEmOcRaT”, “Sanders would lose in a landslide because muh SOSHALIZM”, “career politician”, “angry old white man”, etc. I really think that a non-negligible number of Democrats have a stronger hate boner for Sanders than for Trump.

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I wouldn't vote for Trump, but I wouldn't vote for Sanders either. I feel no need to vote for someone who is going to lose.

Then how are you any better than the “Bernie bros” who wouldn’t vote for Biden against Trump? Say what you will about the Sanders supporters on this board, but most of us would vote for Biden against Trump, even if it weren’t an enthusiastic vote. While I can’t endorse everything MacArthur has written, at least he’s willing to walk the walk when it comes to party unity.

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Surely Hillary has a more productive use of her time than this.

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Boo hoo. It's either us or Trump. I don't care if you live in California. I don't care what you think his chances are. You vote for Bernie, or you cast your lot in with the enemy. As far as I'm concerned, you're no different from NYCMM.

Oh wait. At least NYCMM is a bit.

Whole-heartedly agree, and hope Bernie supporters would say the same about Biden.

Many of us do.

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https://twitter.com/People4Bernie/status/1225591362029965312

A great response by Bernie!

This was a beautiful response, and as much as Sanders might be known for his big rallies and his stump speech, it's moments like this which really show his true character, in my opinion. Love his positions or hate them, Sanders knows how to speak from the heart.

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While I think Sanders has a decent chance of winning a plurality of delegates, I'm not optimistic about his chances of winning a majority. It seems like there's a considerable number of Democrats who have bought into Republican talking points like "socialism bad", "free stuff bad", "too left unelectable", and would vote for literally any Democratic candidate to stop Sanders from getting the nomination. Hell, if Ted Cruz ran as a Democrat, they'd back him over Sanders for the nomination, since at least he's not an "unelectable" old socialist or named Trump. A lot of Democrats still personally blame Sanders for Trump winning, and a lot would go to great lengths to prevent him from getting the nomination, including picking someone else at the convention even if Sanders wins the most delegates, pretty much handing the election to Trump on a silver platter, since they're so "sure" that Sanders would lose like McGovern/Mondale/Dukakis.

Now, part of the problem is that Sanders isn't turning out all of his supporters from 2016, and that's bad for him in the primary as well as the general, but I'm really not sure what he can do to expand his base, since to appeal to some Democrats, he'd have to abandon everything his movement is about, and even then, many would still refuse to back him, since it's "his fault" Clinton lost, and he's still "not a Democrat." Man, Democrats really should've nominated him in 2016.