Sources of truth, sources of revelation

[Georg Ebner]

    While the term "scripture and tradition" is often used to qualify Roman Catholic views on source of truth, I would describe the Orthodox understanding as "scripture through tradition". In this view, the Bible is the only true form of revelation that God gives to mankind. However, the writings of the Church Fathers and the judgments of the councils tell us how to interpret the Scriptures, and the correct interpretation is that which has been upheld by a consensus of the Church Fathers over the past 2,000 years.

As an old-fashioned Roman Catholic i am also unhappy with the "scripture and tradition" WestRome has used in the recent past. But contrary to Your "scripture through tradition" St.AUGUSTINE is - as always... - right with His "The real Bible can be found on the pages of the Church's history", i.e. it's the way round, the Bible is a product of the Church/tradition! Thus it's per se not wrong, when EastRome uses a.f.a.i.k. also for the NT Masoretic texts!

[Georg Ebner]

    While the term "scripture and tradition" is often used to qualify Roman Catholic views on source of truth, I would describe the Orthodox understanding as "scripture through tradition". In this view, the Bible is the only true form of revelation that God gives to mankind. However, the writings of the Church Fathers and the judgments of the councils tell us how to interpret the Scriptures, and the correct interpretation is that which has been upheld by a consensus of the Church Fathers over the past 2,000 years.

As an old-fashioned Roman Catholic i am also unhappy with the "scripture and tradition" WestRome has used in the recent past. But contrary to Your "scripture through tradition" St.AUGUSTINE is - as always... - right with His "The real Bible can be found on the pages of the Church's history", i.e. it's the way round, the Bible is a product of the Church/tradition! Thus it's per se not wrong, when EastRome uses a.f.a.i.k. also for the NT Masoretic texts!

     I definitely agree it is the best argument that we can make against sola scriptura tendencies to describe the Bible as being a product of the Church's liturgical tradition and thus incoherent to try and read it divorced from that tradition. At the same time, I am puzzled by what you mean by using Masoretic texts for the NT. Do you mean that they are using Hebrew manuscripts as a basis for New Testament translations? That would be news to me.

No, an orthodox priest, who lectures at a priestSeminary, wrote, that EastRome has done the same as the Jews, i.e. purged texts by experts.

[Georg Ebner]

    While the term "scripture and tradition" is often used to qualify Roman Catholic views on source of truth, I would describe the Orthodox understanding as "scripture through tradition". In this view, the Bible is the only true form of revelation that God gives to mankind. However, the writings of the Church Fathers and the judgments of the councils tell us how to interpret the Scriptures, and the correct interpretation is that which has been upheld by a consensus of the Church Fathers over the past 2,000 years.

As an old-fashioned Roman Catholic i am also unhappy with the "scripture and tradition" WestRome has used in the recent past. But contrary to Your "scripture through tradition" St.AUGUSTINE is - as always... - right with His "The real Bible can be found on the pages of the Church's history", i.e. it's the way round, the Bible is a product of the Church/tradition! Thus it's per se not wrong, when EastRome uses a.f.a.i.k. also for the NT Masoretic texts!

     I definitely agree it is the best argument that we can make against sola scriptura tendencies to describe the Bible as being a product of the Church's liturgical tradition and thus incoherent to try and read it divorced from that tradition. At the same time, I am puzzled by what you mean by using Masoretic texts for the NT. Do you mean that they are using Hebrew manuscripts as a basis for New Testament translations? That would be news to me.

No, an orthodox priest, who lectures at a priestSeminary, wrote, that EastRome has done the same as the Jews, i.e. purged texts by experts.

     Do you have a link? I would need to read about this specifically.

No, i don't know His (electronic) mail-address and also not His exact name. But perhaps a deacone meant on an orthodox forum the same and referred then to this:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Синодальный_перевод