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« on: August 11, 2022, 06:48:47 PM »
« edited: August 11, 2022, 06:56:45 PM by c r a b c a k e »

Guys these aren't normie takes - most normies are not going around saying sh**t like "Trump is isolationist". Here's some classic ones:

If politicians were paid minimum wage that would be good (although some contrarians go the opposite way, and defend ridiculous wages for MPs for vague "talent retention" reasons).

Political Parties are bad (normally this is because of a vague dislike of partisanship, and a fetishisation of independents)

(Tbf these sort of diagnoses: this one magic trick will result in better politicians! appear in "high info voters" as well, who are replete with reforms and tricks that will save everything, a classic example being the British liberal who believes that MPs sitting in a hemicycle would save Westminster debate)

You'll also see a lot of self contradictory ideas from many people:  a common example is in law and order, where people happily follow both string em up rhetoric and soft shutter the prisons stuff - so they will in general support less prisoners, but specifically want higher sentences for everything from burglary to white collar crime.

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2022, 11:01:58 AM »

(Tbf these sort of diagnoses: this one magic trick will result in better politicians! appear in "high info voters" as well, who are replete with reforms and tricks that will save everything, a classic example being the British liberal who believes that MPs sitting in a hemicycle would save Westminster debate)

Ha, I wasn't familiar with the hemicycle opinion. Similarly, a "wonk" opinion rather than a "normie" opinion (but nevertheless an opinion from someone who knows less about elections than we do) is that you can use electoral reform to socially engineer voters into choosing the right candidates who will make government work. It's essentially an outgrowth of the same naïve anti-partisan view.

I am curious about the view that seems commonplace in Europe that the electoral process should be more American. In so many countries you see "primaries": they have very little in reality to do with American primary elections, but they're meant to imitate those.

Yes, electoral reform as a silver bullets are definitely a type (and I will admit to have being one).

Incidentally D66 in the Netherlands was designed around creating an American political system with FPTP and a two party system that would end the evils of pillarisation.
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