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« on: May 08, 2019, 06:43:45 AM »


Because it hails from a time somewhere between the Iron Age and the Medieval.

I don’t think Classical Romans really cared about abortion or at most, when it was disallowed, it was for “Romanian” reasons.

They largely went by Aristotle's beliefs that the embryo progressively gained souls and finally gained the "human" soul at the quickening (when the first kick is felt, which is normally 18-20 weeks), a belief that would continue to be held by medieval types (Aquinas and St Augustine etc); this meant abortions in that time were divided into pre- quickening procedures (sometimes a necessary evil) and post-quickening abortions (homicidal). Ironically it was the modern scientific understanding of embryology that really codified the modern anti-abortion movement (which is not to remotely imply that the pro life movement is scientifically literate as a whole - this bill being a good example with its talk of embryos being "living infants") - it swept aside all the old ideas of souls being magically injected and granting life in favour of the modern understanding that the embryo is always human.
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2019, 06:46:15 AM »

Should the act of sex itself be illegal because an innumerably large number of sperms inevitably die in the process; even if 1 or more (in the case of fraternal twins) of the sperms connects to an egg; the rest still die?

If the answer is yes, then almost every living animal on the planet is guilty of mass murder.
If the answer is no, then well its not much different from abortions and therefore, abortion should also be legal.

An unborn baby is genetically distinct from their parents, unlike sperm.

Yeah, I never understood those on the pro-choice camp making jokes about masturbation, condoms, etc. to draw a comparison with abortion.  I understand people generally aren't making a serious argument when they do this, but it's such a category error it makes the pro-choice side look ridiculous. One would think the difference between 23 and 46 chromosomes is pretty clear, to say nothing else.  The pro-choice side would do well to stick to arguments about bodily autonomy rather than make statements that are biologically...problematic. 

It is a good counter to the absurd "potential" argument though - if abortion is to be opposed because the zygote represents the potential for life (see: "would you be here if your parents had aborted you?") you might as well bemoan the loss of every single gamete.
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