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« on: August 18, 2018, 09:18:00 PM »

Donald Trump, the Canadian Conservative Party, Netanyahu, Theresa May etc. Obviously the conservative mindset is one that sees a likemind in the dystopian theocratic petrostates of the Gulf, and an inclination towards prostating oneself towards a corrupt and capricious royal family. This inclination is, of course, based on some form of masochism given the scale of the damage the Saudis have inflicted upon the outside world, or perhaps on a perverse vicarious sadism when the Saudis inflict cruel punishments on their regional rivals and guest workers. They key questions we must ask ourselves, it seems, is whether the conservatives' hostility to democracy in the Middle East (as indicated by their strong ties with some of the most regressive factions of the region) is evidence of cultural relativism or of their genuine dislike of democracy in general?
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2018, 12:36:17 PM »

Donald Trump, the Canadian Conservative Party, Netanyahu, Theresa May etc. Obviously the conservative mindset is one that sees a likemind in the dystopian theocratic petrostates of the Gulf, and an inclination towards prostating oneself towards a corrupt and capricious royal family. This inclination is, of course, based on some form of masochism given the scale of the damage the Saudis have inflicted upon the outside world, or perhaps on a perverse vicarious sadism when the Saudis inflict cruel punishments on their regional rivals and guest workers. They key questions we must ask ourselves, it seems, is whether the conservatives' hostility to democracy in the Middle East (as indicated by their strong ties with some of the most regressive factions of the region) is evidence of cultural relativism or of their genuine dislike of democracy in general?
Is this an attempt at trolling? It's called realpolitik. Nobody loves sharia and Saudi Arabia. It's also not as if left-wing or progressive Western governments have behaved meaningfully differently towards Saudi Arabia.

I would dispute that. Sweden has opposed arms exports to the KSA to the fury of the moderates and their allies; Canada is currently in a diplomatic rift with the KSA because of their human rights abuses to the fury of the Canadian right and while obama was well known to be at constant loggerheads with the royals of Saudi Arabia (although regrettably not enough) while Donald "Cuckold" Trump plays the supine fool. If it's Realpolitik, it's pretty stupid, given what immense damage the Saudi money has done to the global Sunni population. How can any western leader look at a Saudi prince without demanding an apology for 9/11, 7/7, Bali, Paris, Brussels, Madrid, Mosul, the betrayal of the Arab Spring, Nice, Berlin etc? All because we are on a completely arbitrary "side" between a tedious bickering match between Riyadh and Tehran? Who cares?
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2018, 11:44:54 PM »

Donald Trump, the Canadian Conservative Party, Netanyahu, Theresa May etc. Obviously the conservative mindset is one that sees a likemind in the dystopian theocratic petrostates of the Gulf, and an inclination towards prostating oneself towards a corrupt and capricious royal family. This inclination is, of course, based on some form of masochism given the scale of the damage the Saudis have inflicted upon the outside world, or perhaps on a perverse vicarious sadism when the Saudis inflict cruel punishments on their regional rivals and guest workers. They key questions we must ask ourselves, it seems, is whether the conservatives' hostility to democracy in the Middle East (as indicated by their strong ties with some of the most regressive factions of the region) is evidence of cultural relativism or of their genuine dislike of democracy in general?

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What are supposed to make of the common conservative refrain that Muslims aren't ready for democracy, something used to defend everybody from Suharto to the inbred royal families of the Gulf?

If we are to use America's friends as examples of what America likes, then we could just as well say the GOP hates religion as is theocratic, owing to its support for the "secular" governments of Central Asia, whose help certain people enlisted during and since our entrance into Afghanistan. The point is that we are either a theocracy or a state so aggressively secular as to cut off men's beards. (Someone can bring up the fact that the "anti-terrorism" fetish of Central Asian leaders is a bogey meant to crush any other opposition, but the point still stands)

I mean, I am half trolling here: the mindset that we have to defend is hypocritical post hoc justifications for demented geopolitics. It's why mainstream conservatives will say it's important to protect Sisi's regime to protect ethnic minorities from the Sunni majority, while dismissing similar spurious defences of the Assad regime. It's why conservatives will occasions spare crocodile tears for the Arab Christians, while conveniently airbrushing them out of history while convenient. It's why, in the name of geopolitics, every single Republican administration has flattered, funded and fraternised with jihadi groups who ostensibly share the same enemies as America's geopolitical goes. And at the same time, they have the tanacity to claim the Left have the problem with islamists? Ridiculous.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2018, 04:50:23 AM »

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/03/573114/Spain-saudi-arms-deal

Yes Pedro Sanchez!
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