If Non Binary Genders are Real and Just as Valid as Man and Woman...

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you should judge each case on its own merits.

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This thead might be of interest

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Yeah, even ignoring the sex predators the sheer fact that more far more men are imprisoned than women make co-ed prisons an uncomfortable prospect.

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So, after some research, I learned that two-spirit is a modern invention and was never used by Native American societies.  I am not surprised at all.

Are you unable to read or something? The term two-spirit is a modern neologism, yeah, but it was born as an umbrella phrase from a whole range of behaviours performed by native Americans, because - shocker - the natives had many different cultures with many different traditions.

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1: I'm heterosexual because that's kind of the default.  I'm not sure why some people are not heterosexual or to what extent genetics plays a role (before we go down that rabbit trail, no, I don't think that they choose to be attracted to the same sex).  I am a man because I have XY Chromosomes and have the typical male biological functions.

2: Not that long ago, no one was calling themselves a third gender.  Then it became trendy.  Society's views on social issues are changing rapidly.

3: 21st century Western civilization is probably the most likely place for someone to find a non-binary person.  I can't help but wonder if most of the supposed third genders weren't really considered genders at all.  IIRC one of the non-binary genders was simply an explanation for homosexuality.

1. you're heterosexual because you know you are, because you're attracted to the opposite sex. and you are inherently aware of that. similarly, you know you're a man, even if you didn't know what your chromosomes or genitals were.
2 & 3. these are just blatantly, factually false. third genders exist in other cultures and throughout history. western society is experiencing a renaissance of awareness of people like this. people who live in the shadows are still there.

Western society seems to be a lot more accommodating of non-binary genders than anywhere else on earth.  Go to Africa, go to China, go to places where life is difficult for the average person and tell them that there are genders besides man and woman.  They will not believe you.

Interestingly, in a lot of developing countries the concept is more intuitive (or at least more accepted) than either homosexuality or transsexualism.

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Walt Heyer is a very odd case. While most people who have GRS have gone through several years of checks with therapists and such, Heyer was someone who - by his own admission - was not dysphoric, but simply paid a surgeon to conduct GRS on him. Not a hugely recommended course of action. He names a handful of named cases, a good number of them being misrepresented (e.g. people who don't regret the experience at all).

Let's look at some actual studies:

Factors Associated with Satisfaction or Regret Following Male-to-Female Sex Reassignment Surgery (Lawrence, 2003) - out of 232 transwomen, zero were consistently reegretful and six percent were "sometimes" regretful. Of these six percent, over half were as a result of inadequate surgical outcomes or lack of family acceptance.

Long-term follow-up: psychosocial outcome of Belgian transsexuals after sex reassignment surgery (Cuypere 2006) -  out of 62, one woman occasionally regrets; same with Long-term Assessment of the Physical, Mental, and Sexual Health among Transsexual Women (Weyers 2008), in which only two occasionally regret.

Care of the Patient Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery (2006):

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Sex reassignment: outcomes and predictors of treatment for adolescent and adult transsexuals - regret rate of <1%

An analysis of all applications for sex reassignment surgery in Sweden, 1960-2010: prevalence, incidence, and regrets. - regret rate of 2.2%

Almost all studies conclude - quite mildly - that the existence of regreters should not be ignored, ad there are certain risky people that should be targeted for additional care, but that the treatment in general helps quality of life, for the most part.

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And you're close to getting it right. Your cynicism over the most scientifically accepted treatment for Gender Dysphoria isn't necessarily wrong because it is offensive, it is wrong because it is scientifically wrong. And morally wrong too, if it ends up people being dissuaded from potentially life-saving treatment due to your cynicism.

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Almost a million percent sure the study Carpetbagger has "researched" (i.e. cribbed from a Daily Signal article) is the Swedish study by Dhejne. A favourite amongst transphobes, who ignore the fact that the study doesn't remotely claimwhat they're reading into it, to the extent that Dhejne herself had to make a plea for transphobes to stop putting their own agenda above actual science.

Of course, if CB understood anything about science, he'd know that biologists have to redefine words all the time to fit the scientific world, which is especially necessary when you have a wooly language like English.

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Everyone agrees that transgendered people should be treated respectfully and so on but it's quite literally not true that "trans women are women" and it doesn't make any sense to pretend it's so. Why is this a woke mantra?

Do all you "BIOLOGICAL FACT" crusaders correct parents who refer to their adopted children as their children?

I'm still waiting for an answer to this question.

?? There's a difference between adopted children and biological children and if the distinction's relevant it would be made.

Yeah, but somebody making it their mission to "correct" adopted families on their language because they aren't biological families would be seen as an arse, a courtesy not lent to transpeople.

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I think the term cotton ceiling was initially supposed to meant post-ops so it's a bit less probelmatic than it is made out to be (I've never heard the phrase being used by an actual transperson fwiw). Nethertheless, it doesn't really concern me as a "big issue" - perfectly passing post-ops having fewer dates than they'd like is not really a problem that keeps me up at night.

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me, an idiot: posts scientific papers about transgenderism

atlas peanut gallery, noted intellectuals: "LE ATTACK HELICOPTER!1!" TRIGGERED LIBS?

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Okay, I wasn't trying to talk about transgender people (by which I mean ftm or mtf), which is a different topic for a different day, but it still falls within the gender binary.

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I don't deny that some people don't feel like they fit in with either gender.  That doesn't change the fact that man and woman are the only genders that are real.

why do u say that man and women are the only ones? sure they're the two main ones, but why can't there be things in the middle?

Because man and woman are based on biology while the other ones are based on feelings.  Many of these non-binary genders are also exclusive to certain cultures.  If they were real genders they would be universal.

1. they are not based on "feelings," they are based on psychology, which is real and biological (your brain is biology). they are also immutable, and your conception of yourself as a man or woman is psychological and real regardless of whether it matches your sex.
2. if you agree that non-binary genders exist in other cultures, why can't it exist in ours? if you respond that it doesn't currently exist, then why can't it exist in the future? culture changes, after all.

1: Man and woman are based on biology, not psychology, and the two genders have different anatomy.  The different anatomy is essential for the continuation of the human species.  The only social construct is the name we give for the two human genders.  Whether one says man and woman, homem and mulher, or 男 and 女，they refer to the same exact concept.  If someone doesn't act the way that the surrounding believes someone of their gender should behave, that doesn't mean they have a new gender.  If someone's brain tells them that they have some other gender, then they have a mental disorder and need to seek help immediately.  Lying to them to make them happy will not help.

2: The non-binary genders are fake in all cultures.  I was saying that if two-spirit was a real gender, then why does it only exist in a handful of cultures.  Truth is universal.  Male and female are universal.

Spot on.  You hit the nail on the head.

But he's not right. The only reason agree with his unsubstantiated opinions is your preconceived notions, not the scientific evidence, which does in fact show that there is a neurological component to transgenderism and that there can be discrepancies between the brain's self-actualisation and the sex due to the manner in which embryos develop. He is also incorrect in his implication that transition is not a useful treatment for GD. Indeed it is very rare for any mental illness to have a reliable a cure as transition is for GD (especially if puberty is repressed) and the studies that flag problems mainly point to the likes of Carpetbagger refusing to accept a social transition.

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Gender dysphoria as defined in the DSM-5 is a mental disorder. The pathological part is the distress or impairment it causes, not being transgender. People run from the label of mental illness because the public often associates mental illness with delusional behaviour, which does not relate to the trans experience or its cures.

As for this argument, and your cowardly capitulation, well, I make no apologies for basing my opinions on science rather than the ravings of some Kentucky halfwit.