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« on: November 14, 2015, 11:55:06 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2015, 01:51:48 PM »

One of the worst trends in Islam in recent years is that it has become standardised among a Salafi line. Before you had various local groups of Sufis that normally hybridised with ancient folk religions (much like many medieval forms of Christianity). But wealthy funds from Gulf states combined with a general reactionary sentiment due to the failure of previous trends like Arab nationalism are eliminating these old traditions and Arabising the entire religion. Of course, the worst thing is when it combines with legitimate local grievances, like for example the MiLN turned MIlF insurgency in the Southern Phillipines or separatist movements in China and Russia or fury against foreign backed secular dictators (Ben Ali, Karimov, Mubarak, Assad) and monopolises the movements against those bastards. I think the major crisis point will be the Rohingya who are sitting ducks for radicalisation.

The blame for this (and the tragic consequences in Paris, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Sinai etc.) is many leveled. Russia, the U.S. China and the EU all have blood for playing geostrategy with a very dangerous time bomb. Numerous regional powers also are to blame. So are many relatively moderate Islamist groups who allowed Salafi movement to spread and Radicalise under their own feet. It would be nice to blame it on a single ideology - liberalism, or capitalism, or neocons or whatever. But I think you know as well as the rest of us that is a crude reading of the situation.
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2015, 01:59:25 PM »
« Edited: November 14, 2015, 02:03:00 PM by CrabCake the Liberal Magician »

The thing to remember is that radicals of all stripes like to target second-generation immigrants. They are the weak link - the first generation immigrants by and large are grateful and don't really want to bite the hand that feeds, the third gen feels more secure in their identity - but the second generation often feels awkward and out of place, without a "national identity" to call their own. 100 years ago such second generation migrants would have turned to anarchism or the like, now they turn to the most reactionary and nationalistic form of their childhood religion.

It's a strange phenomenon that can't be fixed easily with money, as many seem to think. Radicals are recruited from loving middle-class homes of good education just as are also recruited from depressed and broken homes. But the idea that closing off borders or - even more laughably - bombing ISIL to the ground would do anything is a fairy tale.
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2015, 02:10:24 PM »

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