Conservatives only: If trump loses, will you still support Trumpism or will you abandon it?

[Saint Milei]

Honestly, I don't see how the GOP could go back to Bushism and still expect to preserve what's left of the base, even if trump loses.

[Saint Milei]

"Bushism" and "Trumpism" only mean something concrete to very vocal (and very annoying) minorities.  The GOP is, at its core, a vehicle for maintaining class hierarchy to whatever extent seems reasonable/stave off excessive leftist redistribution actions (i.e., "economically conservative") and maintaining societal norms and cohesion to whatever extent seems reasonable/stave off rash and flavor-of-the-month cultural movements (i.e., "socially conservative").  Beyond that, it goes where the winds are blowing.

My prediction after Trump likely loses in 2020 is that the GOP will try to dress a "moderately-conservative-but-still-minimally-egalitarian" economic package with a decidedly more articulate, less bombastic and unsophisticated version of social conservatism and traditionalism.  You can support upholding our immigration laws and defending traditional American cultural norms without sounding like a yokel, and you can support maintaining economic stability without being a Randian who doesn't care for anyone but the 1%.  Think John Kasich, without the current flare for anti-Trump-related attention.

This mentality will set the gop back

[Saint Milei]

"Bushism" and "Trumpism" only mean something concrete to very vocal (and very annoying) minorities.  The GOP is, at its core, a vehicle for maintaining class hierarchy to whatever extent seems reasonable/stave off excessive leftist redistribution actions (i.e., "economically conservative") and maintaining societal norms and cohesion to whatever extent seems reasonable/stave off rash and flavor-of-the-month cultural movements (i.e., "socially conservative").  Beyond that, it goes where the winds are blowing.

My prediction after Trump likely loses in 2020 is that the GOP will try to dress a "moderately-conservative-but-still-minimally-egalitarian" economic package with a decidedly more articulate, less bombastic and unsophisticated version of social conservatism and traditionalism.  You can support upholding our immigration laws and defending traditional American cultural norms without sounding like a yokel, and you can support maintaining economic stability without being a Randian who doesn't care for anyone but the 1%.  Think John Kasich, without the current flare for anti-Trump-related attention.

This mentality will set the gop back

Care to explain?  Seems like the kind of weak ass quip I’d throw together at 2:00 am to get a response in...

What trumpism stands for is what a large portion of americans stand for. I don't accept the notion that trumpism is just for a small minority and everyone is close to the middle. Most voters in middle america would be very responsive to trumpism. The GOP is no longer the hierarchical party anymore. It's going to be the traditional working class party that most Americans felt defined our nation for decades.



This whole egalitarian outlook by the moderate GOP wing will only enrage the base and push more people away. The moderate wing of the GOP has real disdain for middle america and that's exactly why the wing fails to produce results

[Saint Milei]

What trumpism stands for is what a large portion of americans stand for. I don't accept the notion that trumpism is just for a small minority and everyone is close to the middle. Most voters in middle america would be very responsive to trumpism. The GOP is no longer the hierarchical party anymore. It's going to be the traditional working class party that most Americans felt defined our nation for decades.



This whole egalitarian outlook by the moderate GOP wing will only enrage the base and push more people away. The moderate wing of the GOP has real disdain for middle america and that's exactly why the wing fails to produce results

As you say, The GOP needs to tack to the center on economic/worker/family issues.  It still has a looming reputation as the cosmopolitan/elite/neoliberal party that doesn't care about the bottom 80% as long as corporate profits rise and top marginal rates fall.  Establishment republicans who think that's a viable political future are kidding themselves.

Here's a perfect example of a conservative article with an elitist, condescending premise going after Biden's recent strategy of economic populism: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/economic-policy-buy-american-dangerous-canard/

I had a more detailed response but I accidentally deleted my tab

Yeah, perception is key.

[Saint Milei]

I think the people that think Trumpism has a life beyond Trump are going to be disappointed.Let's be frank. Trump doesn't have a coherent world view. Nor advocates one.

Trump has a strong emotional appeal to a large group of voters. And voters, especially conservative leaning ones, are much more driven by emotional appeals.  This is not unique. Bushism, Reaganism, the same. Do you think America became enraptured with deregulation or neocon foreign policy? It was just the emotional appeals that fit the times.

I don't think deregulation has been a mindset, but it's absolutely true America was brainwashed by neoconservatism. You could see it in the GOP. And the left is now being brainwashed by neoconservatism once again.


I also reject the notion that trumpism isn't coherent.

[Saint Milei]

The GOP's only path is to go back to some form of Bushism, it's either that or going back to the Rockefeller Republicanism of the 60's and 70's. As a former Republican, who actually once had some faith in Trump, I've become completely alarmed by his racism, sexism, xenophobia, as well as his total incompetence in office. The GOP needs to have a platform that is more than "Dunking on the libz" if it wants to actually have a future. I think their best path is actually to nominate a Baker/Scott ticket in 2024 and try to reach out to the Romney Republicans and other voters who have become disenchanted with the modern GOP, and yes this falls into the second category.

You were never a republican

[Saint Milei]

The GOP's only path is to go back to some form of Bushism, it's either that or going back to the Rockefeller Republicanism of the 60's and 70's. As a former Republican, who actually once had some faith in Trump, I've become completely alarmed by his racism, sexism, xenophobia, as well as his total incompetence in office. The GOP needs to have a platform that is more than "Dunking on the libz" if it wants to actually have a future. I think their best path is actually to nominate a Baker/Scott ticket in 2024 and try to reach out to the Romney Republicans and other voters who have become disenchanted with the modern GOP, and yes this falls into the second category.

You were never a republican

This isn't true, in fact, I actually backed Trump in 2016 and backed Republicans in the 2018 midterms, though eventually I became concerned with the direction that the party was going, and you can still see those remnants of Republicanism in me from me backing Susan Collins this year.

I meant to say you were never a conservative