Israeli forces storm and fire on Al Aqsa mosque

[Zinneke]

Israel is a problematic country in a lot of ways but it’s far preferable to any of the other countries in the region, especially from a leftist-liberal/pro-democratic perspective.

That being said, these actions don’t help.

You're looking at it through the wrong lens. The issue is that Israel is fast becoming like the countries that surrounds it. they are trying to fight fire with fire and losing their values in the process.

There is also clearly an issue with the military-industrial complex. The occupation makes a lot of profit for a lot of people and the conscription means everyone "gets" the issues soldiers have to face. The reality is I wouldn't be surprised if the timing of this was a signal to the incoming administration to not try any games re military budgets or palestinian peace accords. It suits a lot of people to maintain a permanent COIN operation and occasionally instrumentalise the Israeli far right to whip tensions in Jerusalem.

[Zinneke]

https://twitter.com/diegoperret86/status/1391822186344767491

What a sad image.

[Zinneke]

Again, its not my place to speak but I think Western advocacy groups that are pro-Palestine are actually framing the conflict in the wrong way. They are framing it as a national liberation struggle when the key to unlocking the conflict and guaranteeing human rights is to end the incentive of occupation in the first place. You have to tackle the Israeli military-industrial complex, and the incentives of politicians like Netenyahu to stoke the flames (getting rid of him was actually a good priority that failed at the last hurdle). Its the axis of the US-Israel relationship. And then you can counter the grift that is the US Evangelical-Settler movement alliance that comes with it.

That inevitably means an alliance with the Israeli secularists. We're beyond 1 state or 2 state solution, as an Israeli poster I think explained to me (might have been Wallmart_shopper). 1 state or 2 state is just theoretical for the moment. Its in a jigsaw world.

There was a great article by Anat Biletzki* I read in the book on critical perspectives in (western) transnational advocacy. Does anybody seriously think this conflict ends with either population transfers or a single-state solution where every election is an ethnic head count between Arabs and jews? You have to address things step by step like the securitization of things that should be under democratic oversight in Israel or the massive financial incentives of someone like Roman Abramovic to finance the settler movement and launder money in the process. These are actually concrete issues you can build broad coalitions with but instead we're talking about population exchanges and just generalised whataboutery. Unbelievable.

* yes i am aware of the organisation they are associated with, thank you.

[Zinneke]

I don't think we should be using vocabulary such as apartheid. I don't remember members of the Xhosa or Zulu being potential kingmakers in the coalition in South Africa. But just because it isn't apartheid doesn't mean there is blatant evidence of racism and mistreatment of Arabs in Israel.

As for the USA, if the progressive Democrats grow some balls and Biden stops thinking any bargain is possible with the Grand Old Pedophiles, you can reach a compromise with the progressive Jews and the Tlaibs. I can see it happening. Netanyahu is costing them way too much political capital in the Middle East. They want to focus on China.

[Zinneke]

The ongoing events have been triggered by a group of fanatic Jewish settlers evicting Palestinian residents in Sheikh Jarrah,  East Jerusalem. Any attempt to divert attention from the actual succession of events is biased and dishonest.

In its usual fashion, the allied organization of the apartheid regime called Hamas launched some rockets from Gaza. In the usual succession of events, the army of the apartheid state retaliated. Some residential tower has been bombed today*,  leaving dozens of families homeless. This is an obvious war crime that aggravates the already tragic circumstances of existence in that hellhole.  But the moron Benny Gantz can brag again, saying that entire sections of Gaza are being sent back to the Middle Ages. Meanwhile the architects of apartheid and their propagandists begin spreading lies

*Aside residential use, Shuruq Tower was also used by journalists and correspondents in Gaza. Its imminent destruction was known two hours before being bombed

https://twitter.com/rabetbypipd/status/1392519306685165575?s=19



Business as usual in Israel's supremacist dystopia

At least in Israel there are still arabs. Where are the jews in Iran and all the other countries in the region where they used to be part of it?

they "voluntarily" left when the mobs chased them from their homes

And so Palestinians should suffer because a collection of dictatorships evicted their minorities? (par for the course in most dictatorships, as minorities are often scapegoated - not that it doesn't make it horrific)

Its nice to know that anti-Arab/Islamophobic such as yourself have the same tropes about Arabs and Muslims as the anti-semites : its all one big hive mind conspiracy! All of the arabs think together and are not individuals, and must carry the burden for their dictatorships crimes!

Wanna play that game? Gonna start apologising for Andrew Jackson any time soon? Thought not. Libertarians are only anti-racist when it suits them.

[Zinneke]

There’s a thing called reedom of speech and you mods need to realize it.

Privately-run website, Tender.

Give him an allegory he can understand : its like his basement. He decides the content shared there and not (unfortunately).

[Zinneke]

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I'm amazed to discover that, after having voiced he embraces ecofascism, Tender speaks openly of ethnic cleansing.

This quote deserves a place in the forum's annals

Ethnic cleansing against arabs at least. To tender they are subhumans.