Trump may have just won NC for good

[Suburbia]

These riots won't help Democrats, because they'll be blamed for "inciting" tensions. White suburbanites turn out for Trump, and some of them switch from Clinton to Trump, blame the riots. Yes, it's blunt, but those voters care a lot more about their safety than social issues in my opinion.

[Suburbia]

These riots won't help Democrats, because they'll be blamed for "inciting" tensions. White suburbanites turn out for Trump, and some of them switch from Clinton to Trump, blame the riots. Yes, it's blunt, but those voters care a lot more about their safety than social issues in my opinion.

As usual, you're wrong.

I don't think so. You think suburban voters like this? Tell me how I am wrong.

[Suburbia]

Yeah, Burr is probably secretly glad about this.

Burr and McCrory.

[Suburbia]

These riots won't help Democrats, because they'll be blamed for "inciting" tensions. White suburbanites turn out for Trump, and some of them switch from Clinton to Trump, blame the riots. Yes, it's blunt, but those voters care a lot more about their safety than social issues in my opinion.

It does affect them. Those mobs are coming to the suburbs to terrorize, if they can.

As usual, you're wrong.

I don't think so. You think suburban voters like this? Tell me how I am wrong.

They may not "like" it, but it doesn't affect them in the slightest. Again (as has already been said by me and others), the people who would suddenly flip their vote to the other political party because of something like this don't exist. And the people who think this is some big ordeal are all already voting for Trump.

[Suburbia]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this was true, but it might also have the effect of galvanizing turnout among North Carolina's African American community when they see Trump, whom nearly all hold in contempt, come out in support of a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

True. BLM does the same to police as well. Let's not kid ourselves here. The movement supports Assata Shakur.

[Suburbia]

You're like the definition of scared white person bronz.

I'm not scared at all. I don't want this spilling in my neck of the woods or any other city. They can destroy the city all they want. It looks bad on the Democratic Party and Black Lives Matter's part, which is losing their message every single day.

[Suburbia]

lol

No, the only people who are going to actively blame the Democrats for this are already voting for Trump, and would never have voted for Clinton to begin with.

Swing voters may have a say. They're still around. How do you think a middle class family in Durham, N.C. feels tonight?

[Suburbia]

lol

No, the only people who are going to actively blame the Democrats for this are already voting for Trump, and would never have voted for Clinton to begin with.

Swing voters may have a say. They're still around. How do you think a middle class family in Durham, N.C. feels tonight?

Utterly fine, because they're in Durham, not downtown Charlotte

Those protesters are coming for the rest of the state. They're agitators. BLM should be ashamed for the lack of control.

[Suburbia]

lol

No, the only people who are going to actively blame the Democrats for this are already voting for Trump, and would never have voted for Clinton to begin with.

Swing voters may have a say. They're still around. How do you think a middle class family in Durham, N.C. feels tonight?

Hopefully making them think about the systematic racism in our society.

True, but some of those voters may see this BLM movement as anti-white. Both the police and BLM are to blame.

[Suburbia]

...a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

BLM does the same to police as well. Let's not kid ourselves here.

Those protesters are coming for the rest of the state. They're agitators. BLM should be ashamed for the lack of control.

You're an idiot. Not to get back into the topic of your utter lack of understanding when it comes to race, but likening a loosly organized group of protesters (not agitators who come to the state to stir up trouble, but protesters who see something they feel needs to be protested) to the police to whom we intrust our lives is just about the dumbest comparison you can make.

Um..I understand race pretty well. I think most people are tired of the entire event and system.

[Suburbia]

These riots won't help Democrats, because they'll be blamed for "inciting" tensions. White suburbanites turn out for Trump, and some of them switch from Clinton to Trump, blame the riots. Yes, it's blunt, but those voters care a lot more about their safety than social issues in my opinion.

Shut up.

The epitome of liberalism.

When you have no bases to support your absurd claims. Just yell shut up.

Exactly. I'm not a Republican, or a Democrat, but I'm proud to be a Independent. Liberals like him only make liberalism look more foolish.

[Suburbia]

These riots won't help Democrats, because they'll be blamed for "inciting" tensions. White suburbanites turn out for Trump, and some of them switch from Clinton to Trump, blame the riots. Yes, it's blunt, but those voters care a lot more about their safety than social issues in my opinion.

Shut up.

Don't tell me to shut up. I won't do it to you. Look at the chaos tonight. Both sides-the police and BLM needs to cool it.

[Suburbia]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this was true, but it might also have the effect of galvanizing turnout among North Carolina's African American community when they see Trump, whom nearly all hold in contempt, come out in support of a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

What a BS lie. Black high crime rates is due to a cultural problem among blacks - IE the glorification of the 'thug life'.

No one forces blacks to commit crimes. And you can't point to me one example of how our system 'targets blacks'.

And blacks being arrested more than other ethnic groups is not proof of anything except that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate. Why is that? As I said, cultural.

I mean what's you're solution here? That the police start ignoring black people who commit crimes? Do you believe that white people who steal, rob, murder, attack police get ignored?

They don't. They just do these things at a much lower rate.

Again, cultural.

I'm afraid the only one spouting BS here is you with your racially charged propaganda.

African Americans live in disproportionate poverty due to historical circumstances not of their choosing (slavery, segregation, institutionalized racism, social discrimination, etc). The American legal system has been discriminatory and oppressive to African Americans. All of these murders making the news today aren't new, we're only just now seeing it regularly thanks to widespread access to cameras and social media. Poverty has been proven consistently to be an intergenerational cycle that's hard to escape, especially when one adds the stigma of darker skin. Lower class areas, predominantly in minority communities, have been neglected in terms of lack of investment in public schools (from which privileged White people can flee to private schools), face systematic targeting, harassment, and surveillance by police (which only leads to further disintegration of communities and increased deviancy; read recent research on the sociology of labeling theory), rampant wealth inequality, perpetual exclusion from the illusionary "American Dream," and frustrated aspirations (which, when coupled with a culture that prioritizes material possessions and dehumanizes the poor, you get envy and deviancy), all of which leads, inevitably, to the flourishing of a counterculture wherein rebellion against the forces that continue to perpetuate your dehumanization, restrict your access to essential resources, and label you a dangerous deviant, becomes the norm.

Essentially, when you continue to delegitimize the grievances of a community, humiliate them, dehumanize them, defend the individuals and institutions that murder their brothers, sons, and fathers, and dismiss the legitimate anger stemming from a long history of ingrained inequality and racism that has allowed these problems to flourish, then how in the hell can you blame them for being angry?

Unless you are African American you have absolutely no right to decide how they should feel or to judge their culture. Maybe if you shut up and listened to these communities when they relate their experiences, instead of acting like a condescending know-it-all bigot who thinks s/he can diagnose what is or is not 'their problem,' then perhaps you'd have a legitimate and respectable position on this subject. Until then, either be quiet or keep making an ass out of yourself.

Black folk shouldn't criticize white culture either.

[Suburbia]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this was true, but it might also have the effect of galvanizing turnout among North Carolina's African American community when they see Trump, whom nearly all hold in contempt, come out in support of a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

What a BS lie. Black high crime rates is due to a cultural problem among blacks - IE the glorification of the 'thug life'.

No one forces blacks to commit crimes. And you can't point to me one example of how our system 'targets blacks'.

And blacks being arrested more than other ethnic groups is not proof of anything except that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate. Why is that? As I said, cultural.

I mean what's you're solution here? That the police start ignoring black people who commit crimes? Do you believe that white people who steal, rob, murder, attack police get ignored?

They don't. They just do these things at a much lower rate.

Again, cultural.

I'm afraid the only one spouting BS here is you with your racially charged propaganda.

African Americans live in disproportionate poverty due to historical circumstances not of their choosing (slavery, segregation, institutionalized racism, social discrimination, etc). The American legal system has been discriminatory and oppressive to African Americans. All of these murders making the news today aren't new, we're only just now seeing it regularly thanks to widespread access to cameras and social media. Poverty has been proven consistently to be an intergenerational cycle that's hard to escape, especially when one adds the stigma of darker skin. Lower class areas, predominantly in minority communities, have been neglected in terms of lack of investment in public schools (from which privileged White people can flee to private schools), face systematic targeting, harassment, and surveillance by police (which only leads to further disintegration of communities and increased deviancy; read recent research on the sociology of labeling theory), rampant wealth inequality, perpetual exclusion from the illusionary "American Dream," and frustrated aspirations (which, when coupled with a culture that prioritizes material possessions and dehumanizes the poor, you get envy and deviancy), all of which leads, inevitably, to the flourishing of a counterculture wherein rebellion against the forces that continue to perpetuate your dehumanization, restrict your access to essential resources, and label you a dangerous deviant, becomes the norm.

Essentially, when you continue to delegitimize the grievances of a community, humiliate them, dehumanize them, defend the individuals and institutions that murder their brothers, sons, and fathers, and dismiss the legitimate anger stemming from a long history of ingrained inequality and racism that has allowed these problems to flourish, then how in the hell can you blame them for being angry?

Unless you are African American you have absolutely no right to decide how they should feel or to judge their culture. Maybe if you shut up and listened to these communities when they relate their experiences, instead of acting like a condescending know-it-all bigot who thinks s/he can diagnose what is or is not 'their problem,' then perhaps you'd have a legitimate and respectable position on this subject. Until then, either be quiet or keep making an ass out of yourself.

Black folk shouldn't criticize white culture either.

To say this is to assume that African Americans and their culture share equality in this nation with Whites and their culture. This is not, nor has it ever been, true. One has experienced systematic exploitation, discrimination, racism, hostility, and violence on a massive scale that has embedded itself in nearly every aspect of our society, from media depictions to the judicial system. The other has been the perpetrator of this systematic and societal discrimination that, within the lifetime of millions of African Americans, manifested itself in lynchings, legally enforced segregation of public facilities, and active disenfranchisement on the basis of one's skin color.  Only one group alone in this nation (Whites) is privileged, has built this system of racism, and reacts with hostility whenever they feel that the groups they've kept under their heel for centuries might speak out against their dehumanization. That you believe Whites are not inherently priveleged in this country would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

We all know that white privilege exists. People just want to stop hearing excuses. No one is owed ANYTHING in America.

[Suburbia]

Hillary winning NC was always quite a pipe dream from the Democrats.

Trump is heavily favoured there.

Based on what quantitative evidence?

Based on tonight. You think that white voters are going to sit back and be terrorized out of their cars. Maybe you, but not the people I know.

[Suburbia]

These riots won't help Democrats, because they'll be blamed for "inciting" tensions. White suburbanites turn out for Trump, and some of them switch from Clinton to Trump, blame the riots. Yes, it's blunt, but those voters care a lot more about their safety than social issues in my opinion.

Are you from North Carolina?

I have family and friends there, of both races. I'm just tired.

[Suburbia]

Hillary winning NC was always quite a pipe dream from the Democrats.

Trump is heavily favoured there.

Based on what quantitative evidence?

Based on tonight. You think that white voters are going to sit back and be terrorized out of their cars. Maybe you, but not the people I know.

Oh, now they're terrorists. Good to know.

They're pulling people out of cars. You support that nonsense?

[Suburbia]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this was true, but it might also have the effect of galvanizing turnout among North Carolina's African American community when they see Trump, whom nearly all hold in contempt, come out in support of a local police force that kills and a legal system that systematically targets communities of color.

What a BS lie. Black high crime rates is due to a cultural problem among blacks - IE the glorification of the 'thug life'.

No one forces blacks to commit crimes. And you can't point to me one example of how our system 'targets blacks'.

And blacks being arrested more than other ethnic groups is not proof of anything except that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate. Why is that? As I said, cultural.

I mean what's you're solution here? That the police start ignoring black people who commit crimes? Do you believe that white people who steal, rob, murder, attack police get ignored?

They don't. They just do these things at a much lower rate.

Again, cultural.

I'm afraid the only one spouting BS here is you with your racially charged propaganda.

African Americans live in disproportionate poverty due to historical circumstances not of their choosing (slavery, segregation, institutionalized racism, social discrimination, etc). The American legal system has been discriminatory and oppressive to African Americans. All of these murders making the news today aren't new, we're only just now seeing it regularly thanks to widespread access to cameras and social media. Poverty has been proven consistently to be an intergenerational cycle that's hard to escape, especially when one adds the stigma of darker skin. Lower class areas, predominantly in minority communities, have been neglected in terms of lack of investment in public schools (from which privileged White people can flee to private schools), face systematic targeting, harassment, and surveillance by police (which only leads to further disintegration of communities and increased deviancy; read recent research on the sociology of labeling theory), rampant wealth inequality, perpetual exclusion from the illusionary "American Dream," and frustrated aspirations (which, when coupled with a culture that prioritizes material possessions and dehumanizes the poor, you get envy and deviancy), all of which leads, inevitably, to the flourishing of a counterculture wherein rebellion against the forces that continue to perpetuate your dehumanization, restrict your access to essential resources, and label you a dangerous deviant, becomes the norm.

Essentially, when you continue to delegitimize the grievances of a community, humiliate them, dehumanize them, defend the individuals and institutions that murder their brothers, sons, and fathers, and dismiss the legitimate anger stemming from a long history of ingrained inequality and racism that has allowed these problems to flourish, then how in the hell can you blame them for being angry?

Unless you are African American you have absolutely no right to decide how they should feel or to judge their culture. Maybe if you shut up and listened to these communities when they relate their experiences, instead of acting like a condescending know-it-all bigot who thinks s/he can diagnose what is or is not 'their problem,' then perhaps you'd have a legitimate and respectable position on this subject. Until then, either be quiet or keep making an ass out of yourself.

Black folk shouldn't criticize white culture either.

To say this is to assume that African Americans and their culture share equality in this nation with Whites and their culture. This is not, nor has it ever been, true. One has experienced systematic exploitation, discrimination, racism, hostility, and violence on a massive scale that has embedded itself in nearly every aspect of our society, from media depictions to the judicial system. The other has been the perpetrator of this systematic and societal discrimination that, within the lifetime of millions of African Americans, manifested itself in lynchings, legally enforced segregation of public facilities, and active disenfranchisement on the basis of one's skin color.  Only one group alone in this nation (Whites) is privileged, has built this system of racism, and reacts with hostility whenever they feel that the groups they've kept under their heel for centuries might speak out against their dehumanization. That you believe Whites are not inherently privileged in this country would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

We all know that white privilege exists. People just want to stop hearing excuses. No one is owed ANYTHING in America.

I think you mean "White people just want to stop hearing excuses." No one else would consider those "excuses" except for privileged individuals, such as yourself. And who said anything about being owed something? It's called fairness and justice. After centuries of slavery, segregation, lynchings, voter disenfranchisement, anti-miscegenation laws, legalized murder, harassment, and profiling by police, lack of investment in anti-poverty and education programs, and social discrimination by the privileged White majority, when African Americans protest or speak out against their unjustifiable and curable socioeconomic situation, they're met with "no one is owed ANYTHING in America."

You're supposed to earn things, not get a job because of your skin color. Quotas have to end. It's not "fairness", it's cheating. Those schools are failing. Why invest in failing schools? It's a waste of taxpayers money.

[Suburbia]

I have family and friends there, of both races. I'm just tired.

And you are saying that that makes you an expert in NC politics?

I've been to NC a lot of times. It's a good state, but bad leadership. It's sad.

[Suburbia]

BLM is a paramilitary racist group that has fanned violence by demonizing white cops and white people at large. Obama has not done anything to unify the country along racial lines because it benefits him politically. Trump will be the beneficiary as we don't want blacks to kill, rape, and hurt us.

Every poll has Clinton winning the question of who will do better with race relations, so nope you're wrong racist.

Let him speak his mind.

[Suburbia]

Told you so.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-north-carolina-gop-228550