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Mr. Morden
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« on: March 21, 2017, 08:26:13 AM »

Harvard-Harris national poll for the 2020 Democratic primary, conducted Mar. 14-16:

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/324903-for-democrats-no-clear-leader

Sanders 20%
M. Obama 17%
Warren 15%
Clinton 10%
Booker 4%
Cuomo 4%
Winfrey 3%
Cuban 2%
None Of The Above 25%

That’s if you poll Democrats.  Here are the results if you poll all voters:

Sanders 14%
M. Obama 11%
Warren 9%
Clinton 8%
Cuban 4%
Cuomo 4%
Booker 3%
Winfrey 3%
None Of The Above 45%

All voters, if Clinton doesn’t run:

Sanders 18%
M. Obama 14%
Warren 10%
“no other candidate got more than 4%”

They also asked who is the leader of the party (Dems only):

B. Obama 16%
Warren 16%
Sanders 14%
Clinton 8%
“no one” or someone else 35%

And if you ask all voters the same question:


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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2017, 08:30:35 AM »

Also of note, only 65% of Democrats have a favorable opinion of their own party.  79% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of their party.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2017, 09:54:35 AM »

Bernie Sanders has a chance to win the 2020 Democratic nomination, but he has to do well with black and Latino voters first.

Sanders managed to get 43% of the vote in the 2016 primaries while not doing very well with minority voters.  A 43% plurality can easily get you the nomination in a crowded field, so I don't see why Sanders (or Warren, for that matter) couldn't win the nomination even while not actually doing that well among minority voters, depending on the state of the opposition.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2017, 02:42:30 PM »

Why on Earth are they including Clinton and Michelle Obama as options at all, and why not make the one who they test with/without Sanders or Biden, since they seem to be the ones actually on the fence?

The list is pretty stupid, with Obama and Winfrey being particularly dumb inclusions.  The only names listed here who I’d actually include in my list of top 8 most likely people to run for the nomination would be Booker, Cuomo, and Warren.  My top 8 most likely people to run (not the same as the most likely to win) are:

O’Malley
Booker
Cuomo
Warren
Gillibrand
Castro
Klobuchar
Harris

But your mileage may very.  Could also make a case for Murphy, Bullock, Sanders, McAuliffe, etc.  All of them are many times more likely to run than Michelle Obama or Oprah Winfrey.

Though I take the point that the average person has no clue who Julian Castro or Amy Klobuchar are, so I can understand dropping names like that off the list, but including Sanders and maybe Biden (but then also asking the hypothetical about who you’d support if they don’t run).
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2017, 03:37:55 PM »

Voters will be sorely disappointed when their top four choices don't run.

I don’t think most voters think that way.  The people responding to this poll picked these names because they’re the familiar names.  The voters aren’t even thinking about 2020 yet.  It’s just that they were asked to make a choice in this poll, so they did.  Most of the candidates who will actually end up running for president are currently unknown to voters.  But once the campaign starts, the primary voters will most likely be cool with whoever it is who ends up running, and won’t be bummed that Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton aren’t in the race.

Anyway, I'm surprised that Sanders isn't higher. His age is a problem, but almost nobody mentioned it in 2016 and it's not like the other candidates are that young.

I’m not surprised Sanders isn’t higher, simply because this is in line with other polls.  The only other national 2020 primary polls to include Sanders so far are PPP and Rasmussen, and both of them also had Sanders in the 20-25% range.  The lesson is “favorability isn’t the same as support”.  Sanders’s favorability #s among Dems are sky high, but it’s not clear to me that the primary electorate has its heart set on giving him the nomination.

If Sanders runs, he wins. Only Biden could make it a tossup.

If Sanders runs he'll clear the progressive field.

Sanders is just so popular with such a high name recognition it's gonna be impossible to stop him if he runs.

I disagree with all of the above.  Tongue  As I said to mvd10 above, Sanders is very popular, with high favorability ratings, but favorability isn’t the same as support to be president.  The fact that Sanders is only getting ~20-25% support in all these polls suggests that this is not a Clinton 2016-type situation, where the early polls had her 50 points ahead of everyone else, and she was able to (mostly) clear the field.  A “frontrunner” who is only polling at 20% is not going to clear the field.  I don’t see why, for example, Warren would automatically defer to Sanders, seeing as how she’s not actually that far behind him in these polls.

And not sure why Sanders having high name recognition right now is a point in his favor.  The fact that the other candidates have such low name recognition right now argues all the more for them having room to grow.  They could gain a lot of support once they actually start campaigning.  Now maybe most of them aren’t going to be very good candidates, and thus will be stuck in single digits forever.  But there’s no reason for them to rule themselves out, when they’re still unknown and their ultimate trajectories as candidates remain a question mark.

I do actually think that, in the event that Sanders decides to run, he’ll be a reasonably strong frontrunner, with a pretty strong chance to win (though not as strong as Clinton going into 2016).  But the causality doesn’t work the way some of you seem to think.  *If* Sanders is both in good health and *if* he surveys the landscape and sees a clear path to victory, then he’ll get in.  So if it looks like he’s already in a strong position, then he runs, and has a good chance of winning.  But it’s not obvious that he’ll have such a clear path.

I’m also wondering how long he (and maybe Biden) might stretch out a decision timeline.  Will it be like Biden 2016, where we’ll still be waiting in August 2019 to see if the guy’s going to get in the race?
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2017, 09:47:54 AM »

I honestly don't know who the Dems can field right now that would be acceptable to all wings of the party.

Presumably Sherrod Brown, though it's not clear to me that he's interested in running.
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2017, 09:36:54 AM »

Here’s the full poll:

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/HCAPS-Harris-Poll-March-Wave-Limited-Top-Line_03.17.2017.pdf

It includes favorability #s (among all voters) for Sanders, Warren, Trump, and various foreign leaders.  Here are the fav/unfav % #s:

Pope Francis 71/19% for +52%
Justin Trudeau 64/17% for +47%
Theresa May 54/13% for +41%
Shinzo Abe 46/11% for +35%
Angela Merkel 51/18% for +33%
Bernie Sanders 56/33% for +23%
Benjamin Netanyahu 46/25% for +21%
Narendra Modi 25/13% for +12%
Enrique Pena Nieto 36/31% for +5%
Elizabeth Warren 37/34% for +3%
Donald Trump 44/51% for -7%
Xi Jinping 17/42% for -25%
Hassan Rouhani 8/50% for -42%
Vladimir Putin 17/70% for -53%
Kim Jong-un 5/83% for -78%

Note that for all of the foreign heads of government, the pollster tells the respondent which country they lead.  E.g., Trudeau is described as “Justin Trudeau, the leader of Canada”.

I wonder what a Pope Francis vs. Kim Jong-un electoral map would look like.  Tongue
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