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« on: May 06, 2014, 02:10:39 PM »

They find a market with inflated prices where federal minimum wage is well below the poverty standard of living. They raise minimum wage, knowing that the local impact will be minimal. Then they argue for increasing federal minimum wage, though they know the negative impact of artificial wage floors in other markets will be more acute.

Ideology uber alles, you see.
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2014, 02:29:39 PM »

Some free-associated ideas-

Doesn't higher wages mean higher demand  and higher demand mean a return to enough inflation to help people deleverage and retire their debt?

Also, wouldn't a modest forced increase in labor prices simply close businesses that were already unsuccessful anyways?

The calculus might be much different if inflation was above 4 or 5%, but its more like 1%. The point really isn't we have to raise the minimal wage but rather that we can afford to.


I think the most honest and best argument against the minimal wage is  the moral argument that "their businesses are none of ours".

Austrians figured out a long time ago that the oversimplified demand models are wrong, and that's part of the reason we suffered through stagflation.

It is reasonable to assume consumers will jettison their inflating dollars for income generating assets or durable goods, but if inflation becomes high and stable, what actually happens is that consumers hoard money in preparation for rising future prices. Businesses do the same with labor demand, though it makes little sense. The inverse is true for deflation.

People do not base their spending and consumptive habits on likely future outcomes. Instead, they base consumption and spending on subjective-value to the recent past. If gasoline dropped to $1 per gallon, you can almost guarantee that consumption per capita would be a hell of a lot higher than 1999. Why? Subjective value. This gasoline is a steal!! Buy buy buy buy!!!

We should be using subjective value theory in the labor market by reducing the cost of healthcare and creating an equitable payroll tax with no income threshold and lower rates for everyone.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2014, 12:46:39 PM »

Subjective value seems to be a theory that is easily manipulated to give you the answers you want.

That's what people said 100 years ago, now they accept the theory as a postulate, more or less. Economists of all stripes are interested in consumer sentiment and value-proposition, rather than nominal-value and the theoretical decisions of Homoeconimus.

Subjective value theory is not rational irrationality. It was developed to explain seemingly irrational behaviors of consumers, like their willingness to pay hundreds of dollars for a gallon of wine, but only a few dollars for a gallon of gasoline. However, the theory is not limited to consumptive paradox.

The purpose of payroll tax reform reform is subjective value, not absolute cost cutting. Under the current arrangement, boosting an employee from $60,000 to $80,000 will generate 15.3% marginal payroll tax. Raising salary from $120,000 to $140,000 generates just 2.9% payroll tax for Medicare. Wealthy people have higher income taxes, but income tax rates are individualistic and avoidable with non-income compensation. Virtually all pay growth occurs above the FICA tax threshold for this reason.

If payroll taxes were flat, rather than regressive, we'd have much better employment numbers. If all statutory tax rates were flat, and we had a system of transparent refundable tax credits, the labor market would be in much better condition. Look what income security and healthcare security have done for senior employment rates.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2014, 03:24:30 PM »

The simple answer is that a minor and temporary increase in unemployment is a perfectly acceptable inconvenience in light of the long-term economic and social benefits of guaranteeing a living wage to all workers.

The government is not guaranteeing a living wage. They are forcing the private sector to pursue moralistic social policy. The market stops functioning properly, and lazy government bureaucrats dump their work on the private sector. It's the worst of both worlds.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2014, 04:10:31 PM »

"The market functioning properly" is not a desirable social outcome.

I know right. Nothing is better than a world without transparent pricing.
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