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Bojack Horseman
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« on: April 23, 2015, 12:50:06 PM »

I think you'll see some red states do What Kansas and Alabama are doing in just ignoring the court and refusing to recognize same-sex marriages, or they could do stupid things like raising the minimum age to get married to something unattainable, like 150 years old, but only for gay couples.
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2015, 11:49:57 AM »

Country Class,

Don't get your hopes up that the poll is an outlier. Gay marriage is coming whether we like it or not, whether this poll shows it or not, and whether the Supreme Court says so in June or not. While the details of some minor side-issues haven't quite been decided yet, this one's over; it's a 20 point basketball game with a minute left.

So the question becomes, what now? Where do we as social conservatives go from here? Other than abortion (abortion is the only social issue with stable views across all age groups for most surveys) we are going to lose these fights and continue losing them. I think we may be hitting the reality that changing our culture and its morals can’t start with politics. It may end up there, but it has to start with individual people. As Mother Theresa once said, “Be the change you wish to see in others”. Hold strong to your moral convictions through thick and thin and don’t give in to whatever concupiscence you experience in life. We may individually feel that God is dead to our world, but realize that God can’t be dead to the world as long as he lives in you. I’m not saying don’t vote, but if we really want to change our society’s ideas of right and wrong the place to do it is in our lives not at the ballot box. As far as I can tell, no country was ever converted by voting for the right candidate.

To do any of this requires us not to collapse into bitterness and despair but to engage the world and to do it with love. No one has ever been convinced by a despairing rant.  The gulag may indeed be coming, but nothing makes the gulag as horrifying as the fear of the gulag. Your cross may be heavier than most, but it is still yours to carry through the pain. As Christians, we look to imitate Christ, who carried his cross, painful as it was, without a grudge. Carrying a grudge, bitterness, and anger, can only make your cross heavier, not lighter. As painful as it might be, you still have something to offer this world, a purpose in this life. No matter what the law says, no one can take that away.

Ugh, gross.  The entitlement, self-pity and sanctimony of Christians in this country is so disgusting.  The hypocrisy just makes me want to puke.

It's a cliche at this point but, "If you don't want a gay marriage, don't get one dumb dumb!"

And, oh no!  Other people are taking your right to use the government to dictate how other people live their lives.  Other people.  Their lives.  Get it?  You can disagree about this as a policy matter.  But, don't make it about yourself for God's sake.  It's not about the rights of Christians whatsoever.  It's about the rights of gay people.  Nobody wants to put you in a gulag because you don't like gay people. 

How is this painful for you?  What about all the gay people who suffered?  What about the gay person who couldn't visit their partner in the hospital, even though their homophobic family could?

Spare me this put-upon, sanctimonious, "we're just like Jesus on the cross" act.  You're not like Jesus, you're a bully.  Your religion bullied gay people and ruined their lives, and now people realize it's wrong.  That's the fight we're having. 


Arguing with a religious extremist is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. It knocks down all the pieces, sh**ts on the board, and still thinks it's outsmarted you.
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