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« on: February 12, 2009, 12:19:51 PM »

if you don't believe that Adam & Eve existed, doesn't the whole system start to break down?
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 01:41:38 PM »

if you don't believe that Adam & Eve existed, doesn't the whole system start to break down?

good question, but I think a simpler and more straightforward question is: 

Does denying that current-day-humanity descended from Adam contradict the bible's own interpretation of the story of Adam?

it would seem so

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+3:23-38
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 01:51:40 PM »

if you don't believe that Adam & Eve existed, doesn't the whole system start to break down?

good question, but I think a simpler and more straightforward question is: 

Does denying that current-day-humanity descended from Adam contradict the bible's own interpretation of the story of Adam?
No, because it's just a story (and stupid arbitrary sexist story at that).  The lessons of that story are what's important, not whether or not it actually happened.

how could you say it isn't important?  it is the basis of original sin.  without original sin, how did we become sinners?  we were created that way?

and if you accept the theory of evolution, that would seem to make your position all the more difficult.  when did sinning begin?  with one-cell organisms?  with proto-humans?

without Adam & Eve the whole thing stops making much sense.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 02:04:31 PM »

that has no scriptural basis at all.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 02:08:59 PM »

well obviously.  The people who wrote the Bible had no concept of ideas like that.

and a key basis of Christianity is that the Bible is the word of God...
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2009, 02:15:06 PM »

As far as I am concerned, that's the end of discussion!  

well, alright, but Genesis as a historical account flies in the face of basically all scientific data ever collected remotely pertaining to the issue.  you can think that if you like, but closing yourself off to any and all evidence to the contrary...
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 02:17:26 PM »

jmf, if we are all descendants of Adam, why does the scientific consensus point in another direction?  is God trying to trick us?
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 02:55:18 PM »

so, you consider "day" in Genesis to not necessarily mean ~24 hours?  because it clearly says "there was morning - the sixth day" and "by the seventh day".  the reference to a "morning" seems to point against the idea of the days actually representing protracted periods of time.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 03:33:29 PM »

nah, I have to go to work.  $8/hr!  but I'll be back around 8pm EST.  stay strong bro!
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