Winnie Mandela, anti-apartheid activist and wife to Nelson Mandela dead at 81 (user search)
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« on: April 03, 2018, 02:56:07 PM »

She was a complicated and in many respects a messed up person. Did some good things, did some rather bad ones as well. I tend to think with someone like that that it's important not to gloss over either.

Wise words. Like everybody, I have heard the word "tyres". One rarely hears about the rest.
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 05:36:13 PM »

A brutal system leads to brutal behaviour; not an excuse, but an acknowledgement that 1980s South Africa was in many ways in a state of near collapse - something which people would do well to remember when bemoaning the very many issues the country is facing today.
An infinitely larger number of black people died because of actions by the Umkhonto we Sizwe terrorists than by actions by the actual apartheid government. A pretty damning conclusion, and if 1980s South Africa was truly in a state of near collapse, this was one of the main reasons for it.

Infinitely would imply the apartheid government killed no black people. It would be, in fact, more pro-black than America under Obama.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 06:17:04 PM »

A brutal system leads to brutal behaviour; not an excuse, but an acknowledgement that 1980s South Africa was in many ways in a state of near collapse - something which people would do well to remember when bemoaning the very many issues the country is facing today.
An infinitely larger number of black people died because of actions by the Umkhonto we Sizwe terrorists than by actions by the actual apartheid government. A pretty damning conclusion, and if 1980s South Africa was truly in a state of near collapse, this was one of the main reasons for it.
Infinitely would imply the apartheid government killed no black people. It would be, in fact, more pro-black than America under Obama.
Special gift for you.

Just to make it clear for the record, you are happy to use positive hyperbole about the merits of apartheid.
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