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« on: May 11, 2017, 05:19:33 PM »

EC is fine IMO. Our country is too geographically and economically diverse to have a simple popular vote.

It's absurd that some people's votes count for less because of where they live.
Their votes count just as much as everybody else's in their state. The electoral college protects our geographical diversity. I mean look at 2016, Hillary got trounced anywhere that wasn't part of the new economy. She ignored those regions and was punished for it. You can damn well bet politicians won't ignore that region of the country any longer in 2020.

There is no region of the country that should be privileged over others. There ought be no categories of Americans that are better than others.
It doesn't have to do with "regions" being better than others. It's about preventing regional candidates from dominating our politics. Dems in 2016 have proven themselves to be an extremely regional party. The vast base of their support comes from urban and coastal areas. Regional candidates are a problem because they don't represent the best interests of a country equally. Had Hillary won, even though I wanted her to win, we would have continued to ignore the growing frustration of vast geographic regions. The 2016 election will force Democrats to acknowledge a message that has wider geographical appeal.

Trump is a regional candidate heading an extremely regional party. He doesn't represent the best interests of the country equally, if at all. And he continues to ignore the growing frustration of vast geographic regions. All of these are even more true of Trump than of Hillary. In my own city, which cast some 300,000 votes, Trump got 4% of the vote. Can you name any region of the country with 300,000 people where Hillary got only 4% of the vote? Go ahead, I dare you.
Yeah Trump isn't as much of a regional candidate as Hillary was. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/countymaprb1024.png

From that map, which one would you expect to have more geographically diverse constituents? I'd bet its the one that literally covers the entire country. You can walk coast to coast without stepping foot in a Democratic county.

Your example actually proves my point. Generally if the majority of counties you're winning are by 80+ point margins you're a regional party. Look at the solid south. South Carolina often voted in excess of 96% for the Democratic candidate. Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia often went the same way.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 05:41:17 PM »

Because it's not like the electoral college allows candidates to ignore entire geographic regions of the countries in favor of ten states or anything like that.
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2017, 08:29:55 PM »
« Edited: May 22, 2017, 08:32:50 PM by SWE »

EC is fine IMO. Our country is too geographically and economically diverse to have a simple popular vote.
Finally, someone who supports the EC besides me. Tongue
There should be a club for Dems who support the EC. 2016 pretty much exactly proved the point of why the EC was necessary. Cater to only a select geographic region and you get clobbered. Democrats will now remember to focus on a more geographically appealing message.

Trump catered to a select geographic region and he won.

Yeah, that very uniform and small region known as the Plains, Great Lakes, South, half of the Mountain West, and northern Maine.
This is what I was trying to get at. Clinton was literally only popular in the new economy, and the "black belt" of the south. That is the textbook definition of a regional party. Obama was popular in the "new economy" and the Rust Belt, and the "black belt". Any system that rewards running up the margins in a small area is a poor electoral system.
The textbook definition of a regional party would be something along the lines of "a political party with its base in a single region," which doesn't exactly fit even your description of the Democratic Party, given that you listed multiple regions. Ignoring that, my county went for Clinton, and I don't think I'd consider Buffalo to be a part of the "new economy" or the "black belt," which were apparently the only places Clinton got any votes anywhere.
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Since I've already established myself as a Buffalo resident, I feel qualified to state that this is very obviously not the case. Hell, even just looking at my own county, there are enough cultural differences from town to town to refute this.
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