Election Test

[SWE]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

[SWE]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

[SWE]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

How was this an endorsement of Lincoln?

That's a Lincoln quote, sorry.

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

Lincoln was a frickin' corporate lawyer for the railroad companies before politics, wasn't he?  He very proudly branded himself as a Constitutionalist and praised the free market and upward mobility; he did NOTHING before or during his Presidency that he didn't 100% believe to be within his Constitutional powers.  The RNC in the 1950s also gave a bunch of lip service to unions in their platform, so what?

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

Ok? Not really sure what you're getting at? Of course I don't think Lincoln is some anti-capitalist (that's pretty much why I like him).

He's a communist.

I think we get the gist of it by now, you read the wikipedia article on communism and you don't like it. You can probably give it a rest by now.

[SWE]

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

How was this an endorsement of Lincoln?

That's a Lincoln quote, sorry.

The guy who was endorsed by Karl Marx

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

pretty moderate to liberal on immigration issues.

In what world was Lincoln, a guy who regarded nativists to be on the same level as slavery expansionists, close to a "moderate" on immigration?

http://www.longislandwins.com/news/detail/lincoln_the_know_nothings_and_immigrant_america

Seems to me like somebody who, even by today's standards, was pretty enlightened on the issue.

Well, Lincoln's temperament was pretty moderate on most things.  By the way, I'm sure you could find a quote by Reagan or Bush that could make them sound like leftists to some morons 150 years from now, but something tells me one quote isn't enough for you to claim them as one of your own in this life??

Want to reply with something related to what I said or?

Lincoln was a frickin' corporate lawyer for the railroad companies before politics, wasn't he?  He very proudly branded himself as a Constitutionalist and praised the free market and upward mobility; he did NOTHING before or during his Presidency that he didn't 100% believe to be within his Constitutional powers.  The RNC in the 1950s also gave a bunch of lip service to unions in their platform, so what?

To act like Lincoln's politics were anywhere in the realm of Karl Marx is absurd.  So Karl Marx opposed slavery ... So did the Quakers and nearly all Prohibitionists; that was a HUGE tent.

Ok? Not really sure what you're getting at? Of course I don't think Lincoln is some anti-capitalist (that's pretty much why I like him).

He's a communist.

I think we get the gist of it by now, you read the wikipedia article on communism and you don't like it. You can probably give it a rest by now.

You certainly implied that Lincoln was the obvious choice for a communist ... And that's not overly obvious at all.

Sure he is. Any self-respecting communist would support the transition from a slave-based economy to capitalism.