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« on: August 07, 2015, 03:48:34 PM »

I wouldn't actually see a need for some kind of "opposition day", I think just Ministers should be able to introduce legislation, period. As you say, Atlasia kind of sucked with the "getting everyone to agree"-schtick, so both in order to make it more interesting and set a contrast, I would say just allow the government to introduce bills, so we also have more of a dualism. If the opposition wants to enact their agenda, they should win elections or form a better coalition, easy as that.
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2015, 03:19:26 AM »

I think a time period to vote wouldn't totally absurd. Maybe have it be at an hour or two?

Time-zones make it a bit hard to synch up though, sadly.

That's completely impossible given our about 60/40 - America/Europe split, so 24 hours have to be given for voting - you can't expect Europeans to be online at 3 am, and this would be about the best time for Americans....
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2015, 10:59:20 AM »

Wait, only government ministers can introduce legislation? I'd rather we open it to anyone introducing legislation. I'm not sure why that would lead to things where we try to "make everyone agree"--as long as it only needs a simple majority to agree, we don't need any more than 11/21.

I like the committee idea. That sounds like it would be quite fun.

Because that's how a parliament works...

Yeah, I get that, but status quo is never good enough reasoning, in my mind. I'm just struggling to connect the dots of "anyone can introduce bills" to "make everyone agree," although it's seeming that Barnes and Cranberry look at the two as going hand-in-hand.

As long as we have some sort of private members bill mechanism, like Hagrid suggested, it should be okay.

The thing is that if we are doing a simulation of a parliamentary system, we will obviously closely mirror our sim to reality, which inlcudes mirroring the operation of our parliament to the ones of real life parliaments in nations with such a system in place. In a parliamentary system, it is simply not custom for opposition parties to be able to introduce legislations, that's what ministers with their different resorts are for. If you want to get through your agenda, you'll need to win elections and form government, otherwise, what would a differentiation between government and opposition be good for?
Can you see our point?

Talk about Atlasia's tendency to get everyone to agree to a bill by just moderating the crap out of it is actually irrelevant to the argument, it just serves a side argument as most people that came here were sick of many aspects of Atlasia, including that one. If you prefer a system like that, I would kindly and honestly advise you to rather stick with that, be active in Atlasia and not here. If we want this experiment to suceed, we will have to have differences from Atlasia, and if people are not ready to get through with those changes and differences, I doubt that they will feel at home here as much as they did in Atlasia.
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