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« on: April 10, 2015, 02:54:04 PM »

Please don't get all too bad on me now for saying this, but is there really, objectively a need for national legislation passed by the Senate on this issue? I obviously, like any sane and decent person, condemn rape and all sorts of horrible things that are mentioned in this bill, but is there really a need for the Senate to set up policies for universities on what exactly their students need to do in order to be allowed to f-ck? Obviously I exaggerate here by loads, but do you get my point? Do we need all this, if I may allow to lend a word that was often used in critics of a recent resolution I sponsored, micromanaging on what exactly is allowed under which terms when it comes to birds and bees?

I wonder here if it were not more effective to instruct universities to do those things themselves, as they will know which problems often arise on their campus and which don't. I don't know what exactly is the best policy here for, let's say, Northwestern Oklahoma Tech, and neither do any of my fellow Senators, but I am convinced that there are certainly different problems and optimal policies to combat these at the Southeastern Alabama Arts College.

I am simply not convinced of the effectivness of the bill as stands, and am not prepared to support it in its current version. In fact, since I am, yes, not convinced of the whole spirit and feeling of the bill, I doubt that I can support it through the occasional "striking here, striking there"...
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2015, 02:17:22 AM »

If I may direct my fellow Senators and other citizens back towards the debate of this bill?
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2015, 10:58:57 AM »

Hagrid, I feel partly the same way. It's frankly not really managable in my opinion to have a true impact on this problem, or at least I can not think of a way to do so through legislative means. Directing everyone to say "may I" every two seconds certainly is not, and I doubt we can come up with a workable solution here - I just doubt. I will gladly let myself convince otherwise, but until then, I see no way in which to support the bill as stands.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2015, 04:13:12 AM »

Since, as I mentioned, I find this bill as a whole quite unworkable in the present state, I do not have a strong opinion on striking one total clause...

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2015, 12:11:58 PM »

This version, while certainly an improvement, does not put away with my general problem with this bill - I simply do not think we should tackle this problem the way as is proposed in here, through a radical, nationwide "micromanaging" of every little detail of the process of intimacy, if I may say so in a very dumb choice of words. It is thus the spirit of this bill I do not support, and since this amendment does not alter this, I couldn't really see myself supporting this bill as a final version in any instance.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 09:58:34 AM »

Senator Cranberry, a vote for the amendment does not require a vote for the final version. Wink

Sure, still, I'd not support this version if it were a final version, that's what I wanted to say.
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2015, 10:34:03 AM »

I once again have to reiterate that I don't believe this to be the correct approach to deal with such a complex issue. It is, in my opinion, not really the Senate's business to outline into greatest detail all the points mentioned in this bill, I would rather see this dealt at the respective individual educational organizations. I won't vote for this bill thus, not until I see a need for it. I don't now.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2015, 12:08:09 PM »

Oh shyte. I totally let this fade off my radar. I'll look at it tonight. Promise. If I don't, feel free to attack my office with torches and pitchforks.

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2015, 12:41:11 PM »

Your amendment certainly is a lengthy step in the, in my opinion, right direction, Hagrid. It does, to an extent, away with my main point of critique, the in my eyes far too extensive and, yes, even confining spirit and nature of the bill, largely replacing it with a way that resembles more recommendations and impetus, which I as stated far prefer.

I doubt that the sponsor will agree to any more changes to this bill, but since we have come a far way with this, will you allow me until tomorrow for reconsideration, if I can support this as stands or offer some sort of adaptions myself. Thank you.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2015, 12:21:01 PM »

As said, I support this amendment.
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2015, 02:32:52 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2015, 10:52:59 AM »

I was very sceptical about this at the beginning, yes, but I do believe this has come to an agreeable consensus.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2015, 12:32:11 PM »

Motion seconded.
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2015, 01:40:45 PM »

Aye
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