Pope Francis accused of making homophobic slur in a closed-door meeting

[jojoju1998]

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Pope Francis allegedly told Italian bishops to not permit gay men to train for the priesthood, with two Italian newspapers claiming that the 87-year-old pontiff made a homophobic slur in a closed-door meeting last week.

Citing sources from inside the meeting, the Corriere della Sera and La Repubblica newspapers reported Monday that the Pope had made the comments while meeting with Italian bishops on May 20.

The newspaper articles, which were translated from Italian, claimed the Pope had said there is “frociaggine” – which translates in English to “f****try” – in some of the seminaries."

[jojoju1998]

The Church doesn't like it's puerile homophobia to sound puerile. So this is a miss step from them if true.

This isn't new for Pope Francis though.

The rumors are that, when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires, he used to boast that his seminary didn't have any gays in it, only REAL MEN. And that he made his seminarians, do " manual labor " because that's what " real men " do.

And that he banned seminarians from wearing cassocks because he thought it was too girlish.

And he's extremely cruel behind the scenes, and he talks sh!t about gays, and other minorities. Not even Pope Benedict XVI was that " tyrannical ".

[jojoju1998]

And Francis has done another -ism, this time a remark about how women be gossiping. For an eighty-seven-year-old frankly-more-cishet-seeming-than-most-popes Peronist living and working in Italy to say something unkind about women off the cuff is about as surprising as for him to say something unkind about gay people, but two serious gaffes of this kind coming in quick succession is obviously pretty unusual for this man in particular.

I'm going to start considering the possibility of cognitive decline. As Al said about another living legend of Latin American public life:

Pretty obviously senile by this point.

Which other politicians would you categorize as senile?

If you mean seriously (as I do in this case), then ones that display clear signs of the sort of mental deterioration associated with various forms of dementia. Strange and disturbing statements that have some relation to the sorts of things the person in question might once have said are a better indication that getting names wrong and terminology confused: the false positive rate on the latter would be absurdly high. In terms of people still in leadership positions, the classic case would be Urho Kekkonen.

I hope I'm wrong about this, and in any case Francis has enough planned for late this year—trips; documents; the synod—that we can probably assume he's not mere days or weeks from death, but I think this is a possibility worth taking into account in addition to his obviously declining physical health.

People can disagree with pope Benedict XVI, and he was a conservative, but that man was razor sharp until his death, and he was known for being extrmeley careful with his language.

[jojoju1998]

I wish I didn't find F****trygate as funny as I do, but I've been on the internet for way too many hours of my life.

Finally the Pope has the courage to recognize homosexuality as a sin. Good.

Genuine question: have you followed anything else Francis has said on this topic outside headlines and clickbait?

I'm aware that he hasn't done everything The Squad would want with respect to LGBTs, but he's still allowed a media perception to exist that in my view does not reflect scripture.

The Pope cares about what relatively minor American Politicians do and say. ?

[jojoju1998]

And Francis has done another -ism, this time a remark about how women be gossiping. For an eighty-seven-year-old frankly-more-cishet-seeming-than-most-popes Peronist living and working in Italy to say something unkind about women off the cuff is about as surprising as for him to say something unkind about gay people, but two serious gaffes of this kind coming in quick succession is obviously pretty unusual for this man in particular.

I'm going to start considering the possibility of cognitive decline. As Al said about another living legend of Latin American public life:

Pretty obviously senile by this point.

Which other politicians would you categorize as senile?

If you mean seriously (as I do in this case), then ones that display clear signs of the sort of mental deterioration associated with various forms of dementia. Strange and disturbing statements that have some relation to the sorts of things the person in question might once have said are a better indication that getting names wrong and terminology confused: the false positive rate on the latter would be absurdly high. In terms of people still in leadership positions, the classic case would be Urho Kekkonen.

I hope I'm wrong about this, and in any case Francis has enough planned for late this year—trips; documents; the synod—that we can probably assume he's not mere days or weeks from death, but I think this is a possibility worth taking into account in addition to his obviously declining physical health.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257892/pope-francis-tells-gay-man-rejected-from-seminary-to-go-ahead-with-your-vocation

[jojoju1998]

IDK how true this is, but I read somewhere that Francis believes there is an association between homosexual behaviour in the clergy and the conservative opposition to him, i.e. there's an idea that trads are disproportionately gay.

The percent of radtrads who are ultimately outed as secret sexual deviants (gay or otherwise) is alarmingly high, in my experience. Completely destroyed a friend of mine's marriage, and I'm aware of other such incidents within the orbits of my social circle.

Yes, the ultra-trad wing of the Church is shot through with homosexuals, which is obviously no good for the poor women that they latch onto. The Pope is (unfortunately) not wrong about some of these people.

IDK how true this is, but I read somewhere that Francis believes there is an association between homosexual behaviour in the clergy and the conservative opposition to him, i.e. there's an idea that trads are disproportionately gay.

The percent of radtrads who are ultimately outed as secret sexual deviants (gay or otherwise) is alarmingly high, in my experience. Completely destroyed a friend of mine's marriage, and I'm aware of other such incidents within the orbits of my social circle.

I wonder why this is ?

I know someone who is very trad, a trad catholic, and talks about Pagan Gods, and how the greeks and romans exemplified real manhood.... And I'm like hmm ?

[jojoju1998]

Kinda off topic but it has always amazed me how terrible his image is among left-minded Latin American Catholics that on paper should be the most excited about his papacy. I think all these gaffes play a role.

Pope Francis has an apparently checkered past when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires.... that the Western Media has not covered...

[jojoju1998]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/world/europe/pope-francis-homophobic-slur.html