Israel Ambassador: If UN recognize Palestaine, expect the US to completely stop funding the UN

[jojoju1998]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

This isn't leaving the UN, its just defunding the UN.  When the bill was created it also wasn't seen as very realistic to defund the UN so this basically just forces future presidents to keep a consistent foreign policy on this issue until a true solution can be created.

Defunding the UN based on one country's demands a has made my point about Israel's interference in American politics.

I wasn’t aware officials from other countries could tell what officials from countries that aren’t theirs will do, but it goes to show how much USA is worldwide recognized as Israel’s lapdog that even Israeli ambassador will confidently say something of this kind and not sound like delusion. He’s probably correct.

I don’t support Israel, but I do support US getting out of UN for Israel btw. The less US presence in the global institutions, the better and that is the isolationist path they’re clearly choosing for themselves not just with Trump, but with Biden as well.

Counterpoint : The US far right has sought to damage the UN for sometime now. There was always a skepticism of the UN coming from the right wing of the Republican Party. Israel's only taking advantage of the populist isolationist sentiment.

Remember the John BIrch Society ? National Review ?

[jojoju1998]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

This isn't leaving the UN, its just defunding the UN.  When the bill was created it also wasn't seen as very realistic to defund the UN so this basically just forces future presidents to keep a consistent foreign policy on this issue until a true solution can be created.

Defunding the UN based on one country's demands a has made my point about Israel's interference in American politics.

I wasn’t aware officials from other countries could tell what officials from countries that aren’t theirs will do, but it goes to show how much USA is worldwide recognized as Israel’s lapdog that even Israeli ambassador will confidently say something of this kind and not sound like delusion. He’s probably correct.

I don’t support Israel, but I do support US getting out of UN for Israel btw. The less US presence in the global institutions, the better and that is the isolationist path they’re clearly choosing for themselves not just with Trump, but with Biden as well.

Counterpoint : The US far right has sought to damage the UN for sometime now. There was always a skepticism of the UN coming from the right wing of the Republican Party. Israel's only taking advantage of the populist isolationist sentiment.

Remember the John BIrch Society ? National Review ?

Everyone knows the US right (aka republicans) is isolationist on many grounds these days, the news that people are uncomfortable to talk about is that Democrats increasingly are as well.

The Israeli ambassador is talking about USA in general, which means independent from whoever is president. He clearly believes USA would do that in regards the UN be it Trump or Biden the president. And he may not be wrong about it.

For me it’s great that both Trump and Biden would sacrifice US influence in big international institutions just to suck Israel’s balls, it opens space for OTHERS to occupy the space vacuum left and Brazil could maybe be one of these places. It just sounds stupid the length if what people are willing to do to appease to Israel. They clearly love it more than they love themselves hahahaha. Let’s watch how far this goes.

You're naive to think that Brazil could be one of those countries. Russia and China will take up the vacuum and they're no progressive freedom loving countries. But I guess, because they're Anti West, I guess that's okay with you huh ?



American Imperialism bad ! Chinese Imperialism, good !


Either way, this will never happen in reality. The US is not going to lose it's only leverage it has on the world stage; just to appease one singular country, and it's not naive to think so. Trump never withdrew from the UN, or tried to when he was President. This is just an opinion of a singular Israeli politician who's playing to the base in his home country, to win votes ( or whatever votes his party, Likud can win.)

[jojoju1998]

If the USA refuses to recognise Palestine and not adhere to international law, they should indeed just leave the UN. We're better off without them.

No more nations with veto power please (and preferrably no-one).

If the goal is simply to obstruct and abuse the system than just leave.

Recognizing Palestine now, without any structure for a comprehensive peace deal in place, to create a two state solution, will just embolden the Israelis even more, because they would see Palestine, as an actual state, and if people think it's bad now, it will be even worse, when Israel invades all of Palestine as a official all out war, a declaration of war.

[jojoju1998]

If the USA refuses to recognise Palestine and not adhere to international law, they should indeed just leave the UN. We're better off without them.

No more nations with veto power please (and preferrably no-one).

If the goal is simply to obstruct and abuse the system than just leave.

Recognizing Palestine now, without any structure for a comprehensive peace deal in place, to create a two state solution, will just embolden the Israelis even more, because they would see Palestine, as an actual state, and if people think it's bad now, it will be even worse, when Israel invades all of Palestine as a official all out war, a declaration of war.

Than it's the duty of the international community (the UN) in this case, to condemn Israel, punish Israel, put the people for responsible for this punitive actions in front of the Hague and restore the borders like at least that of 1967.

But as we all know, the UN is weak and useless, because it can be hijacked by bad actors such as China and Russia ( who by the way are no examples of freedom and democracy ). And most importantly, it has 0 to no effect on individual countries.  Look, at the recent resolution by the UN security council. It passed, but it had no operational effect at all.  Or even look back at Rwanda. UN peacekeepers were sent in, and it was useless, no one did anything.

[jojoju1998]

If the USA refuses to recognise Palestine and not adhere to international law, they should indeed just leave the UN. We're better off without them.

No more nations with veto power please (and preferrably no-one).

If the goal is simply to obstruct and abuse the system than just leave.

Recognizing Palestine now, without any structure for a comprehensive peace deal in place, to create a two state solution, will just embolden the Israelis even more, because they would see Palestine, as an actual state, and if people think it's bad now, it will be even worse, when Israel invades all of Palestine as a official all out war, a declaration of war.

Than it's the duty of the international community (the UN) in this case, to condemn Israel, punish Israel, put the people for responsible for this punitive actions in front of the Hague and restore the borders like at least that of 1967.

But as we all know, the UN is weak and useless, because it can be hijacked by bad actors such as China and Russia ( who by the way are no examples of freedom and democracy ). And most importantly, it has 0 to no effect on individual countries.  Look, at the recent resolution by the UN security council. It passed, but it had no operational effect at all.  Or even look back at Rwanda. UN peacekeepers were sent in, and it was useless, no one did anything.

The irony is that the UN can also be hijacked by another bad actor: the United States of America, and we've seen that happen a number of times too. Not just under Trump (by for instance by withdrawing from Paris or the Iran deal), but also under Biden too.

I've already said that no nation should have veto power. But that perhaps a two third majority should be needed to reach a consensus.

You're not wrong, but it just calls into question the effectiveness of the UN as a whole, and what we can do to reform it, but no foreign policy official I know of has thought about that long term. Once again, I point back to the Rwandan Genocide, and no one did ANYTHING to stop it. And that was a clear explicit genocide.

[jojoju1998]

If the international community (read: UN) isn't involved, then there will never be a two-state solution. Israel and Palestine can never be trusted to coexist (as in, recognize each other's right to exist) peacefully without third-party involvement, and that's the God's honest truth.

And if you support a two-state solution but don't like the UN, I'm curious how you think we can get there without it.

We need reforms to the UN, but that's beyond the scope of the article. I don't think the UN is bad per se, but it's structures leave it unable to actually do anything.


Look at the Rwandan Genocide. The UN was useless, it was unable to actually do something.