Democrats and Republicans Both Seen as Too Extreme

[jojoju1998]

It's the culture wars stuff.

Most Americans agree on the basic economic issues.

But the damn culture wars have swallowed everything.

[jojoju1998]

It's the culture wars stuff.

Most Americans agree on the basic economic issues.

But the damn culture wars have swallowed everything.

issue polling is unreliable though. The fact is people dislike any major change when it comes to economics

Paid family leave is not drastic. Better childcare isn't drastic.

[jojoju1998]

It's the culture wars stuff.

Most Americans agree on the basic economic issues.

But the damn culture wars have swallowed everything.

issue polling is unreliable though. The fact is people dislike any major change when it comes to economics

Paid family leave is not drastic. Better childcare isn't drastic.

It's more about perception, and that has 2 major factors: Dems often not doing well with messaging and, as the OP said, the media successfully promoting the tiresome "muh both sides" narrative.

Overcoming such perceptions can be difficult since these arguments are made up of personal feelings and bias. Arguing against that rational facts hardly works. That's just human nature.

It should be noted with Paid Family Leave, that more and more companies are offering paid maternity/paternity leave because they're competing globally with companies that do offer it( ala Government mandate ).

[jojoju1998]

This is a thread where Atlas is really showing how much of a Democrat echo-chamber it is LOL

Atlas:  "Democrats couldn't POSSIBLY be extreme!  They agree with all MY positions!"

Many posters on here genuinely believe that Democrats are the morally upright and only legitimate political party, and that Republicans are an illegitimate party that is fascist, authoritarian, and anti-American. The poll referred to in this thread certainly demonstrates how far apart this forum's members are from the majority of Americans, in terms of how they view the world.

If school funding and education was better in America, more people would learn critical thinking skills in school and would therefore be more likely to open up their eyes to this. Republicans know this, and it's one of the reasons they promote private schooling and defunding public schools (along with other reasons).

That's a big generalization to make seeing as if some of the top schools at least where I live anyway, are Private.

Jesuit High School in Sacramento is very high quality. So is Christian Brothers and St Francis.

[jojoju1998]

If school funding and education was better in America, more people would learn critical thinking skills in school and would therefore be more likely to open up their eyes to this. Republicans know this, and it's one of the reasons they promote private schooling and defunding public schools (along with other reasons).

That's a big generalization to make seeing as if some of the top schools at least where I live anyway, are Private.

Jesuit High School in Sacramento is very high quality. So is Christian Brothers and St Francis.

I'm saying that Republicans are trying to destroy public schools and make private school the only way to be properly educated.

And they won't probably pass the smell test to enter a top tier private school to begin with.

That's my point.


Conservatives say Public schools are so woke and all..

Private schools are even MORE WOKE.

[jojoju1998]

Many posters on here genuinely believe that Democrats are the morally upright and only legitimate political party, and that Republicans are an illegitimate party that is fascist, authoritarian, and anti-American. The poll referred to in this thread certainly demonstrates how far apart this forum's members are from the majority of Americans, in terms of how they view the world.

I mean in practically every developed country, the Democratic Party would be considered normal and the Republican Party would be seen as an extremist party.

Only in this country can the Democratic Party somehow be considered "extreme"....to some people. Also, this is just one poll. One poll isn't definitive.

Furthermore, this poll didn't ask anyone if they thought that "X party was extreme or not". It just showed that some independents think that there should be more moderates in both parties. What a surprise!

1. This is way overblown. In Canada Harper basically governed like a Republican Lite PM and lasted 10 years and their current leader is someone who won by running against vax mandates, on firing a whole bunch of gov employees and on taking on woke institutions . He is also leading in the polls right now and in Alberta their new conservative leader is someone who ran on outright nullifying federal laws which is even further than the GOP goes

In Europe you have seen for the past decade the rise of the populist right and the european populist right make the GOP look like liberals on issues like immigration.


2. Making a direct issue by issue comparison makes zero sense given that US culture has always been way more individualistic than Western Europe/Canada and for a long time way more religious as well.

If you put politicians like Harper, Poilievre , Truss, Cameron, May here, they would not be much different from the GOP either on the issues.

https://www.voanews.com/a/hungarian-prime-minister-shows-why-american-right-embraces-him/6687500.html

[jojoju1998]

If school funding and education was better in America, more people would learn critical thinking skills in school and would therefore be more likely to open up their eyes to this. Republicans know this, and it's one of the reasons they promote private schooling and defunding public schools (along with other reasons).

That's a big generalization to make seeing as if some of the top schools at least where I live anyway, are Private.

Jesuit High School in Sacramento is very high quality. So is Christian Brothers and St Francis.

I'm saying that Republicans are trying to destroy public schools and make private school the only way to be properly educated.

And they won't probably pass the smell test to enter a top tier private school to begin with.

That's my point.


Conservatives say Public schools are so woke and all..

Private schools are even MORE WOKE.

There are left wing private schools and right wing private schools. And I suppose a whole bunch in the middle. I'm not really an expert. There are certainly private schools that are Republican-friendly, is my point.

You are right overall.

The problem is American education is so decentralized. There's no national policy in place. Education is left to the states and local governments.

And it shows.

According to the rankings, we rank 28th in mathematics, behind Mexico apparently. No wonder why we do General ed courses in College, the high schools suck ! I myself had to learn how to write a freaking essay in college. I didn't learn crap in high school.

[jojoju1998]

Many posters on here genuinely believe that Democrats are the morally upright and only legitimate political party, and that Republicans are an illegitimate party that is fascist, authoritarian, and anti-American. The poll referred to in this thread certainly demonstrates how far apart this forum's members are from the majority of Americans, in terms of how they view the world.

I mean in practically every developed country, the Democratic Party would be considered normal and the Republican Party would be seen as an extremist party.

Only in this country can the Democratic Party somehow be considered "extreme"....to some people. Also, this is just one poll. One poll isn't definitive.

Furthermore, this poll didn't ask anyone if they thought that "X party was extreme or not". It just showed that some independents think that there should be more moderates in both parties. What a surprise!

This is repeated over and over again but I don’t think it’s true. It may be true for healthcare and guns. The biggest thing conservatives point to as being extreme is the anti-patriotism and wokism of the American left and I can’t find many countries where the ideas of the woke wouldn’t be seen as out of the mainstream. Canada of course but where else can you develop a whole worldview around the idea that your own country and culture is fundamentally bad and illegitimate? Or the idea that criminals aren’t responsible for their crimes? Or the idea that it’s compassionate to let public spaces turn into open air drug market tent camps?

I didn't know that Democrats thought our Military sucked and that John Mccain was not a War hero.