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Blair
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« on: January 20, 2019, 05:45:52 AM »

A UK journalist pointed out that British politicos who obsess over US elections spending their whole time wanting the 'centre right' candidate (the democrats) to beat the 'far right' candidate. (the republicans)

But no, the party isn't becoming too extreme.

The best example of why the Democrats need to be much bolder is healthcare. Remember, that only 9 years ago, the party struggled to pass a conservative based policy around healthcare, and only did so after essentially bribing the 'moderate' senators, and after having the common sense ideas (like the medicare buy in) dropped off.

The problem with the 'too extreme' argument is that it fetishes a group of politicians (moderate democrats) who were one of the most spineless, and cowardly cohort to enter the Senate- Bayh, Landrieu, Lincoln, Lieberman etc. They all practiced, and preached a brand of democratism that conservatives are suppose to love- and there crowning achievement was killing off better healthcare for millions, and then ing off to jobs on K Street.

Almost every other country has a functioning social democratic party that believes in firmly tackling economic, and individual inequality, and in using the state as one of the tools to do so. Of course the history of why it's been so difficult to create this in the US is pretty obvious- geography, fear of socialism, strong individualist streak, weak union base etc.

If you've grown up with essentially a conservative party,(which flirts, and then embraces national populism) and a a centrist party (which flirts with liberalism) then sure you're going to think the Democrats are becoming too extreme.




Some days we’re the party of Macron, other days we’re a bunch of communist extremists. Which is it?

I can promise you that the Democratic Party is far to the left of Macron : Macron lowered capital gains tax and decreased taxes on dividends by replacing the progressive income tax with a single rate tax of 15%, Macron is pro business and unfortunately pro business democrats have been decimated.

It's almost as if the French economy is completely different to the American one.

It's stupid to say the democratic party is far to the left of Macron, as that would surely imply the Democrats are closer to PS in France, which they're objectionably not.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2019, 12:45:35 PM »


Trump is a factor that's creating an extreme reaction, but it's also the media's portrayal and hyperbole regarding Trump that is adding to radicalization.  Trump isn't exactly far-right, but the left utilizes him as a symbol of far-right extremism.  Mostly due to Trump's unapologetic stance to PC culture. It's not like the far-right is noticeably more active than it was during Bush or Obama.  There's more of a difference between Bush and Obama than Obama and Trump as far as far-right extremism.  And sure, opinion polls indicate that people feel it's gotten worse, but the statistics just don't jive with opinions.

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2019, 02:01:57 PM »


Trump is a factor that's creating an extreme reaction, but it's also the media's portrayal and hyperbole regarding Trump that is adding to radicalization.  Trump isn't exactly far-right, but the left utilizes him as a symbol of far-right extremism.  Mostly due to Trump's unapologetic stance to PC culture. It's not like the far-right is noticeably more active than it was during Bush or Obama. There's more of a difference between Bush and Obama than Obama and Trump as far as far-right extremism.  And sure, opinion polls indicate that people feel it's gotten worse, but the statistics just don't jive with opinions.



officially democrats and their base support murdering babies and that's far worse than this staged march that nobody in gop ever supported

Apart from the President?
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2019, 02:21:36 AM »

You're already seeing all the think pieces where they're ripping the shreds almost all the prospective Dem candidates over the tiniest ideological inconsistency. I'm getting the sneaking feeling that a bunch of people are going to sit at home and pout if they don't think the Dem candidate is 100% perfect and give this thing to Trump again. 

The left's current activism community is more interested in venting and getting it off their chest than in being effective.

The left's activism just helped flip 40 house seats. Stop being dense.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2019, 03:36:54 PM »

You're already seeing all the think pieces where they're ripping the shreds almost all the prospective Dem candidates over the tiniest ideological inconsistency. I'm getting the sneaking feeling that a bunch of people are going to sit at home and pout if they don't think the Dem candidate is 100% perfect and give this thing to Trump again. 

The left's current activism community is more interested in venting and getting it off their chest than in being effective.

The left's activism just helped flip 40 house seats. Stop being dense.
I don't believe that most of the swing/r leaning district flips came from the progressive wing.

No, the members were a mix of ideologies but a fair bit of money that was pumped into campaigns+DSCC and all the other various bodies was clearly from people are progressives.
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