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« on: December 14, 2016, 10:28:50 AM »

You shouldn't base a presidential campaign on who you backed in the primary 4 years ago- imagine if Obama lost in 08 and you had Clinton supporters saying 'oh Martin O'Malley supported Hillary' so he must be the best person to run. It's petty, cult like politics.

The Veteran card is great; people like Tammy Duckworth have shown it can work. People like Bob Kerrey, John Kerry and Jason Kander all show that saying 'I'm a veteran' won't win you votes.

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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2016, 05:41:35 PM »
« Edited: December 15, 2016, 05:44:46 PM by President Blair »

Some of the comments are a bit harsh; basically she's just an oddball. Like, say, ). Or (here at home) Kate Hoey

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She's also a shameless Putin Hack; something that should make anyone who's been following Syria extremely skeptical (let alone the entire cyber-crime stuff)

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2016, 10:31:41 AM »

Worth noting she voted against a motion condemning Russia's bombing of Syria; and was one of only 4 house members to do so (or some stupidly small number)
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2016, 04:13:50 PM »

There's absolutely no guarantee that Gabbard would even be better on economic issues than Booker - Gabbard gets her money from SHELDON ADELSON, and has voted with him based on that funding.

Gabbard has fooled so many people by affiliating with Bernie Sanders, it really was a genius move politically.

To sound like a complete snob, it just reminds me how many people don't have a political viewpoint that expands more than 6 months in the past. Like the people who begrudge Warren for not endorsing Sanders
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2016, 05:15:57 AM »

When did Syria and Russia become the single most important issue for red avatars on this board? I'm not saying it isn't important, because it is, but why are so many of you all of the sudden single issue voters when it comes to this?

This argument is the hallmark of a lost cause; and similar to when people would scream 'why do you care about gay marriage when the economy is in tank!' about 4-5 years ago. Even if it wasn't an important issue (which it is) it's still a barometer of your values/political outlook; supporting Assad over people who rose up in what started as a civil protest in 2010 is a foul, and awful view for anyone who claims to be on the centre left/left. When people like George Galloway support Assad it shows just how awful it is.


What is so hard for Democrats to understand about her views on the Middle East and terrorism? You may not agree with them, but they are perfectly rational.

I understand her view; her view is straight from the mouth from the Kremlin. They're rationally pro-putin, but that has nothing to do with the moral/political implications of her view

She believes that the fight against terrorism must be both military and ideological. Sounds reasonable to me. What ideology are we fighting against? The ideology shared by ISIS, Al Qaeda and affiliated terrorist organizations known as ‘Islamism.’

Calling these terrorists "Islamic" or "Islamist" shouldn't be a deal breaker.

It's not a deal breaker; her support Putin is.

She also doesn't believe overthrowing Assad is a good idea, and it's kind of had to knock her for this view after Iraq and Libya. Here's a quote from her:

"People said the very same thing about Saddam Hussein, the very same thing about Moammar Gadhafi, the results of those two failed efforts of regime change and the following nation-building have been absolute, not only have they been failures, but they've actually worked to strengthen our enemy,"


More of the old 'muh strongman stability', which is by far the dumbest and most annoying argument ever. Seeing people harp about the stability of Gaddaffi when he had half his country rise up against him, and sent Tanks against protesters is stupid. People have such a flawed view on Libya- the US/UK/France didn't just wake up and decide to topple the peaceful, benevolent Gaddafi, there was a domestic uprising and the Arab League begged NATO to set up a no fly zone.

Now lets compare Libya (with all it's faults) with Syria. I think we all know which country is more stable; and it's the one where the west did something that has worked very well in the past (Kosovo, Bosnia etc)

She's spoken out against Trumps rhetoric towards Muslims.

How brave.

So this isn't as black and white as a lot of the users in this thread would like you to believe. This is a complicated topic, and Tulsi's views on the matter are quite nuanced.

You're allowed to disagree with her on this front, but it hardly disqualifies her from the winning the Democratic Nomination.

Yes it is, and yes it should do.
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2016, 06:37:43 AM »

When did Syria and Russia become the single most important issue for red avatars on this board? I'm not saying it isn't important, because it is, but why are so many of you all of the sudden single issue voters when it comes to this?

This argument is the hallmark of a lost cause; and similar to when people would scream 'why do you care about gay marriage when the economy is in tank!' about 4-5 years ago. Even if it wasn't an important issue (which it is) it's still a barometer of your values/political outlook; supporting Assad over people who rose up in what started as a civil protest in 2010 is a foul, and awful view for anyone who claims to be on the centre left/left. When people like George Galloway support Assad it shows just how awful it is.


It's not awful to not support ISIS and Al Qaeda over Assad.

But it's awful to think that Assad is a lesser evil, or somehow a preferable choice. When people on the left were cheering the 'liberation of Aleppo' last week it shows how morally bankrupt the far left has been on foreign policy for years
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2016, 10:37:15 AM »

When did Syria and Russia become the single most important issue for red avatars on this board? I'm not saying it isn't important, because it is, but why are so many of you all of the sudden single issue voters when it comes to this?

This argument is the hallmark of a lost cause; and similar to when people would scream 'why do you care about gay marriage when the economy is in tank!' about 4-5 years ago. Even if it wasn't an important issue (which it is) it's still a barometer of your values/political outlook; supporting Assad over people who rose up in what started as a civil protest in 2010 is a foul, and awful view for anyone who claims to be on the centre left/left. When people like George Galloway support Assad it shows just how awful it is.


It's not awful to not support ISIS and Al Qaeda over Assad.

But it's awful to think that Assad is a lesser evil, or somehow a preferable choice. When people on the left were cheering the 'liberation of Aleppo' last week it shows how morally bankrupt the far left has been on foreign policy for years

Absolutely 100% Assad is way the lesser evil. This is like saying Trump & Hillary are the same.

You can't pick & choose dictators - What about US (with UK) supporting Saddam in the 80's when he was fighting against iran & used chemical weapons? What about Saudi Arabia which is an extremely theocratic authoritarian society & has killed a huge number of civilians for no good reason.

Assad is absolutely nothing compared to ISIS. Saying you want to overthrow Assad is like supporting ISIS at this point.

You have to take out ISIS & then deal with Assad.

The US supporting Saddam in the 1980s was wrong; and was using the exact same logic that you used of 'Oh ISIS are worse' because they said that Iran was worse than Saddam (even though it was Saddam who invaded, ironically for oil)

Same re Saudi Arabia. I've never been a supporter of the Saudis, and think they've got an awful lot to answer for.

You're espousing the very propaganda that the Syrian regime have always been saying; that Assad is the only one who can stop the 'terrorists'. As a general rule for me at least when you've got the support of Iran, Hezbollah and Russia your regime is clearly doing something wrong.

I'm not smearing her- she voted against a bill condemning Putin. Her foreign policy solution to Syria is literally the same as Donald Trumps
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2016, 12:19:51 PM »



I would like to see you go in the battle field & fight - I don't want more soldiers massacred & dying.



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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2016, 04:25:59 PM »

Yet she supports Putin's actions in Syria...
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2016, 07:16:44 AM »

Honestly, do you have any idea how much fun any campaign would have unloading opposition research on her?

She's popular with the Sanders activist base who harpe on about 'MUH DNC FIX'; but that doesn't equal the 10 or so million people who voting Sanders liking her awful record is plastered coast to coast. The fact that so many democrats on this thread who supported Sanders have actively said they'll not vote for her in the GE sums it up
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