Okay, again I'll take the reins on this.
I believe this sums it up, in addition to PiT's first two paragraphs that have still gone unanswered
I'd be happy to clear them up
Well I wasn't here when the incident happened, if your referring to the civil war and all that stuff that went one. I'll let Al talk about that, but I'm really not in a position to say anything on it since I've got a rather checked idea of it.
And I fundamentally disagree, a lifetime ban should be on the table-both Yankee and Kal to a certain extend argue that there needs to be some sort of measure (although they disagree on what shape it should be) We need a failsafe if someone basically tries to go nuclear on the game, and delete everything. I don't think productivity should be an issue-the law is the law. I'd hope that we don't give preference to more experienced players if they delete records or something.
Well it's not as simple as simply putting forward an amendment-I need to make sure it's a workable amendment-I don't want to rush into it, but as I said before I'll always want their to be checks and balances in place for this kind of system.
Any judge worth their salt would already do that-Judges already do that, and I trust them to do that. I'm not going to be trying to codify something into law that says judges should make balanced decisions because it already exists.
I have faith in the courts of Atlasia to make the right decision. Likewise if Judges do an absolutely awful job if |I recall the Senate has the power to impeach them. And no I honestly don't think so-your using the death penalty arguments against prison sentences if you get me? You argument doesn't make sense to this situation because you seem to assume that we have an out of control judiciary when we quite frankly don't. I'm not asking to rely on the executive-I'm saying that we have the back-up's if the system fails. Again I'm not going to vote for an amendment that I don't support, especially if the amendment is weak on voter fraud and intimation-I'm not voting to cut the punishments for that
A President's who's corrupt? If that's the case let the Senate impeach them, let the votes vote them out of office, let the Justices overrule them? We've got plenty of options and methods to stop an out of control executive branch-look at what's happened in the Pacific as an example of how government checks from the Judicary, people and Federal level manages to promote change.
Even in your worst case scenario, which quite frankly is fear mongering then it's not an issue. If the Justice did use this method to issue a lifetime ban then well A) Public backing would be needed, as we've seen a public thread can have a certain amount of power in Atlasia B) The Senate could impeach the Judge if they've made a clearly personal decision that's unlawful C) The President could issue a Pardon D) The President could be defeated in the next election, new President issues pardon E)
Your seeing this through the wrong lenses, it's not about judical abuse-it's about that ensuring that the Judiciary have the tools they need to protect the game. This argument thread is about a single amendment that failed to pass because it not only weakened the punishment for treason but because it also weakened the punishment for voter fraud and imitation from 1 to 2 years. I'm not going to vote for that
