NY Post: Valerie Jarrett leaked Clinton email details to media

[Blair]

It's absolutely hilarious that Obama would be concerned that Hillary isn't a true "liberal" when their positions are the same on 95% of the issues. It's not like Obama is a Warren or Sanders progressive who goes after Wall Street and could attack her from the left.

The only thing he ever had over Hillary was Iraq, on which he had the convenience of not being in the Senate at the time to vote on. That didn't stop him from proclaiming himself the anti-war candidate and saying he opposed the war when it was "politically unpopular" to do so, even though at the time Obama was serving in a 90% Democratic district, and therefore wouldn't have to bare the consequences of a politically unpopular decision.

He has shown himself to be an absolute coward in every sense since then, from his gay marriage flip flop in 2008, to lying to primary voters about NAFTA while assuring Canada behind their back, to his embarrassing off-mic comment about having more flexibility with Russia after the election. So I think it's pretty clear how he would have voted had he been in the Senate in 2002. I truly despise this man.

Your simply wrong about Iraq, Obama was opposed to it from the start, and in fact you can see the speech he made in 2002 which was against the war.

And please, Obama won in 2008 because he offered a vision for the country, and didn't make stupid comments to the press about Robert Kennedy

[Blair]

It's absolutely hilarious that Obama would be concerned that Hillary isn't a true "liberal" when their positions are the same on 95% of the issues. It's not like Obama is a Warren or Sanders progressive who goes after Wall Street and could attack her from the left.

The only thing he ever had over Hillary was Iraq, on which he had the convenience of not being in the Senate at the time to vote on. That didn't stop him from proclaiming himself the anti-war candidate and saying he opposed the war when it was "politically unpopular" to do so, even though at the time Obama was serving in a 90% Democratic district, and therefore wouldn't have to bare the consequences of a politically unpopular decision.

He has shown himself to be an absolute coward in every sense since then, from his gay marriage flip flop in 2008, to lying to primary voters about NAFTA while assuring Canada behind their back, to his embarrassing off-mic comment about having more flexibility with Russia after the election. So I think it's pretty clear how he would have voted had he been in the Senate in 2002. I truly despise this man.

Your simply wrong about Iraq, Obama was opposed to it from the start, and in fact you can see the speech he made in 2002 which was against the war.

And please, Obama won in 2008 because he offered a vision for the country, and didn't make stupid comments to the press about Robert Kennedy

I'm talking about 2002. You are aware that the Iraq Senate vote was in 2002, right? Not sure what point you're contesting.

Obama offered no "vision" for the country, just lame platitudes that his hipster base gobbled up.

FFS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzmXy226po

Do you now accept that Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq from the start?

10 million more Americans with health insurance, unemployment down, open relations with Cuba, support for LGBT rights, passed the Stimulus act, reformed Wall Street, tried to close down GITMO (something the GOP stopped)

And please, Obama won in 2008 because he offered a vision for the country, and didn't make stupid comments to the press about Robert Kennedy

Neither did Clinton, but believe what you must.

Yes she did, do you remember her comments that she was staying in the race because Bobby Kennedy got killed in '68. She always was a Eugene McCarthy fan though

[Blair]

And please, Obama won in 2008 because he offered a vision for the country, and didn't make stupid comments to the press about Robert Kennedy

Neither did Clinton, but believe what you must.

Yes she did, do you remember her comments that she was staying in the race because Bobby Kennedy got killed in '68. She always was a Eugene McCarthy fan though

She said no such thing. She was asked why she was staying in the race, and she pointed to other primaries that dragged into June, and mentioned, as examples, 1968, which because of the sad circumstances is the most famous June primary in history, and 1992, when her husband was still fighting Brown.

In fact,

“It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June.  I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband’s 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June.  I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.” -RFK, Jr.

I don't take RFK Jr's word as gospel. Fair enough if he didn't get offended by it, but it was a bloody stupid thing to say which pretty much summed up Hilary in 2008. And yes she did say that extact thing, she alluded to Obama getting killed

[Blair]

I don't take RFK Jr's word as gospel. Fair enough if he didn't get offended by it, but it was a bloody stupid thing to say which pretty much summed up Hilary in 2008. And yes she did say that extact thing, she alluded to Obama getting killed

Ok, find me the quote.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defended staying in the Democratic nominating contest on Friday by pointing out that her husband had not wrapped up the nomination until June 1992, adding, “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”

Politicians tend to talk in code. I used the word 'allude' because Hilary is basically saying 'the popular, energetic candidate who had the lead in 1968 got killed, so it could happen in 2008 where there's another popular, energetic winning candidate. Barack was Bobby, she was Humphrey

It just shows off how desperate Hilary was, and how the Clinton's tarnished the reputation of the Kennedy Family

[Blair]

lol is someone really arguing that Hillary wasn't winking and nudging about Obama meeting RFK's fate?

Everyone knew what Hilary meant when she said that, but of course it was some vast right wing conspiracy

[Blair]

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defended staying in the Democratic nominating contest on Friday by pointing out that her husband had not wrapped up the nomination until June 1992, adding, “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”

Politicians tend to talk in code. I used the word 'allude' because Hilary is basically saying 'the popular, energetic candidate who had the lead in 1968 got killed, so it could happen in 2008 where there's another popular, energetic winning candidate. Barack was Bobby, she was Humphrey

Yeah, that was the spin by Obama supporters because "Hillary is zomg evil!" But "Vote for me because my opponent might get assassinated  (because he's black)" doesn't even make sense as a coded, Machiavellian strategy, especially at a time when the race was functionally over (late May).

I'm pretty partisan, didn't even support Hillary for a lot of the race, but stuff like this is why I had a hard time voting Obama that year. It was like a segue into left-wing, "#cancelColbert" Twitter idiocy.
Also, Humphrey was more likely to be the nominee in '68, even before the assassination, so the historical comparison doesn't work either.

No, Humphrey wasn't likely to be the nominee in '68. Kennedy had the support of Mayor Daley, the man who pretty much decided the Nomination, plus the fact that the convention was in Chicago. McCarthy would have withdraw after California for SOS, and endorsed Kennedy. RFK had massive momentum after the primary victories-he even beat Humphrey in his home state.

Everyone knew that she was comparing Obama to RFK for a certain reason

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Wait, people seriously think that Hillary discussing multiple primaries that stretched into June meant that she was dogwhistling for someone to kill Obama? lmfao. You guys never cease to amaze me.

Yes, that's what the Media was saying at the time yk. It's pretty well detailed in the Game Changer book that the comment was the low point of Hilary's campaign. But nah right wing conspiracy

What primaries? 1992 was virtually over by March. Hilary basically stayed in because she hoped that Obama may implode.

If Hilary wanted to talk about staying in for a long campaign purely for political reasons , why didn't she mention 1972 or any other race? But no she mentions the one where the popular and frankly better candidate got killed, and a spineless establishment candidate steps in

[Blair]

The media assumed the absolute worst about something Hillary Clinton said? Wow, knock me over with a feather!

In the very same sentence she discusses how Bill didn't clinch the nomination until June. Obama hadn't clinched the nomination yet either. If you actually read the remarks in their context, it's clear there's nothing malicious about them.

Bill Clinton had the nomination wrapped up by march, it was just Jerry Brown hanging around in the same way that Paul didn't withdraw his delegates in 2012