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Cassius
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« on: June 05, 2014, 01:21:50 PM »

Reagan? That B-list actor turned right-wing salesman and corporate stooge for General Electric? The guy who snitched on his Hollywood friends for HUAC?

Ask a black person or a gay person or a working-class person in the Upper Midwest who remembers Reagan for a more...real-world perspective on his Presidency and legacy.

Yeah, don't miss him.

Of course, only the downtrodden can ever have a valid opinion. I mean, I'm sure you'd get an equally 'real-worldly' perspective from... I don't know, the man who was a Wall Street Banker, Business Owner or CIA analyst during the Reagan years. Or indeed, anybody who worked in the arms industry during the Reagan years.
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 01:26:36 PM »

Just to let you know, but you've crossed the line over into self parody there.

I started down that path when I was about 5. 'Tis just another normal day. Self-deprecation and self-parody - two pillars of my life so far Smiley
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Cassius
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2014, 02:32:55 PM »
« Edited: June 05, 2014, 02:35:12 PM by Former Assemblyman Cassius »

The end of stagflation had literally nothing to do with Reagan.

Well, he did reappoint Volcker as Fed Chairman (although most of the heavy-lifting by Volcker had already been done), and his ending of 70's price controls on oil did help reduce prices in that sense too. So, he had a partial role in it, even if he wasn't the main actor.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2014, 04:01:49 AM »

Primarily it was their completely unnecessary trampling of the air traffic controllers union that fired the pistol inaugurating the rape of the working class.

Government is a mirror before an ape: private agents see the State acting a certain way and they reproduce that behavior, however unconsciously. In this case, private sector employers aped Reagan's union-busting.

I do not love public sector unions. Or non-industrial unions. Or America's myopic, collaborationist unions more generally. But Reagan is undoubtedly to blame for deunionization - and hypocritically so, given his own love for the Screen Actors Guild (hardworking actors require unions; layabout machinists and electricians, evidently, do not).

Trampling that particular union was hardly unneccessary. They broke the law, Reagan gave them an ultimatum, most of the strikers ignored it, they got fired. In the end, Reagan upheld the law in the face of those determined to break it. To not have done so would have been an embarrassing defeat. The only reason that I can think of for that action being somewhat morally murky is because PATCO had endorsed Reagan in last years election, and thus it was something of a slap in the face. But when all's said and done a self-inflicted one.
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Cassius
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2014, 04:27:03 AM »

Primarily it was their completely unnecessary trampling of the air traffic controllers union that fired the pistol inaugurating the rape of the working class.

Government is a mirror before an ape: private agents see the State acting a certain way and they reproduce that behavior, however unconsciously. In this case, private sector employers aped Reagan's union-busting.

I do not love public sector unions. Or non-industrial unions. Or America's myopic, collaborationist unions more generally. But Reagan is undoubtedly to blame for deunionization - and hypocritically so, given his own love for the Screen Actors Guild (hardworking actors require unions; layabout machinists and electricians, evidently, do not).

Trampling that particular union was hardly unneccessary. They broke the law, Reagan gave them an ultimatum, most of the strikers ignored it, they got fired. In the end, Reagan upheld the law in the face of those determined to break it. To not have done so would have been an embarrassing defeat. The only reason that I can think of for that action being somewhat morally murky is because PATCO had endorsed Reagan in last years election, and thus it was something of a slap in the face. But when all's said and done a self-inflicted one.

Ha!  Again, complicating the issue with a load of BS that makes you look "smart".  Another conservative that expects the unions to obey the laws that are designed to enslave them.  Can you just understand that we would like to eat?   Jesus dick!  It's not complicated! 

Firstly, why are you so angry? Are you afflicted with rabies or something? Secondly, I wasn't trying to make myself look 'smart', since such efforts (in my case) would prove to be about as fruitful as Operation Barbarossa. Thirdly, of course I expect unions to obey the law. I'm not a union member, there are no union members in my family, so I tend to be unfavourable to efforts by unions to stick a hand up the backside of the government and use it as a glove puppet to advance the interests of their members, interests with run counter to those of people who end up having to pay for their increased wages and so on and so forth. Finally, of course I understand that you people want to eat. I myself like to eat. But if we look at the case of the air traffic controllers, what can be seen is that they were doing reasonably well prior to the strike, and that it was due to the disastrous decision to remain on strike that so many of them lost their jobs and were thrown into poverty. So, one could actually argue that the plight of the workers was PATCO's fault, not Reagan's.
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