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IceAgeComing
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« on: December 31, 2020, 08:31:34 AM »

God Save The Queen gets very aggressively booed in any Scotland-England international football game - Scotland having its own league system means that its simply never used outside the international context because as a normal country the national anthem isn't played at anything but the biggest domestic games and they use Flower of Scotland for that now.  Its not the same for Rugby but that's probably more of an indication of the differences in the class and demographic breakdown of your typical Football and Rugby crowds.  Whenever it happens though it really annoys sections of the right-wing tabloids that get offended that Scotland does not support England: same people that got annoyed at Andy Murray's "anyone but England" remark many years ago and in every major Football competition when Scots people (Scotland having inevitably failed to qualify) generally find themselves supporting Belgium or Croatia or Trinidad (fun story that one: they managed to qualify for the 2006 World Cup in a bit of a fluke; and because half their team played League Football in Scotland and because they had a player called "Jason Scotland" they were adopted as the honorary Scottish national team for that World Cup) over England.

That's actually a reason why National Anthem politics isn't a massive thing in the UK: its not played a whole lot.  You'll get it at international sports events and perhaps at big events that the Royals would be at but not at random Premier League games and similar things.  In Scotland I think the only time you'd ever hear God Save the Queen used as a British anthem would be for those very rare sports that Scotland doesn't compete as a separate team in and events involving the Royals: no Scottish government (and I'm including a hypothetical Conservative-led one here) would ever use it more widely than that.
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2020, 02:45:38 PM »

That's part of the reason, but the other part is that nobody really likes it as an anthem. Some people get annoyed by 'disrespect', but a non-negligible proportion of them would happily agree that Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory or whatever would be a better tune to use instead.

That's a good point that I always forget: the times when its more relevant (sports) its mainly represented England and not Britain and that means that the Scots (and the Welsh) won't treat it like their national anthem and a lot of the English are like "why are we using a British song to represent England?".  And then you get the weirdos that seem to think that all four constituent countries should use it because "ITS THE ONLY NATIONAL ANTHEM" but they are a vast, vast minority.

Not being English I don't know whether I should comment on it but I think that Jerusalem is what you should use: its historically a radical song which I will always admire but its come to be accepted by everyone: its got that sing along value that is always good plus its a good song.  Admittedly the wrestling fan in me associates the tune of "Land of Hope and Glory" to Randy Savage which inherently makes that a funnier song but not in a way that's appropriate for a national anthem.
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