NSA reform bill goes down in flames

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The bill would've postponed the Patriot Act's sunset date by two years, so it's probably a good thing it was defeated (though many opponents obviously had different motivations).

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Lief, I thought you supported this sort of thing. Also why did Rand Paul vote no- what exactly was this supposed to do?

The bill would've hired a bunch of "privacy advocates" to work in the FISA courts while extending the Patriot Act's expiration date. The fact that people like Dianne Feinstein voted for it should be enough to make clear that it was a meaningless bill designed to make it look like Obama was responding to the NSA issue.

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I highly doubt Rand voted against this because of cowardice. Ted Cruz voted in favor so it's not like he would be attacked for it.

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I highly doubt Rand voted against this because of cowardice. Ted Cruz voted in favor so it's not like he would be attacked for it.

Rand voted against it supposedly because it didn't go far enough.
Which is of course a load of bull. He did that because he doesn't want to get attacked in the Republican primary as being "soft on terrorism".

Except that, a) Ted Cruz voted in favor of the bill (did you even read my post?), and b) as I've already pointed out, this bill would extend the Patriot Act's expiration date by several years but would supposedly protect civil liberties by "hiring privacy advocates." That clearly isn't a worthwhile trade-off to anyone who cares more about civil liberties than making it seem like Democrats actually give a sh**t about the government spying on people.

Also, this disingenuous bill was opposed in the House by Justin Amash, so unless you think him and Rand Paul are part of a libertarian conspiracy to support government surveillance, there are clearly principled anti-surveillance reasons for opposing this.

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a) EFF supported the bill. I suppose they're disingenuous about privacy and only care about marketing? b) If the Patriot Act isn't extended anyway feel free to pip me on this a year from now

I'm not saying that anyone who supports this bill is disingenuous (just mistaken), I'm simply pointing out that not everyone who opposed it was a surveillance supporter or an unprincipled coward.