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Mogrovejo
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« on: October 05, 2015, 02:29:47 PM »


I'm not sure, but I heard that on October 14th we know the results from the Portuguese in all the world.

You can 99.9% sure that the result will be PSD 3, PS 1

I see, thanks.

So Portugal is another country where expats lean right?

There are two emigration electoral circles, Europe and Out-of-Europe, each electing 2 MPs. Europe leans PS, so usually the seats end up divided, although the PS can win both in a good year; Out-of-Europe is very PSD and they tend to win both seats there.

Perhaps it'd be more accurate to say that mainland immigrants lean left while islanders (that make most of the immigrant population in the USA, Canada, Brazil, Venezuela, South Africa) are overwhelmingly right-wing.

If there's going to be a right-wing minority government dependent of PS MPs' outside support, what are the chances that it will collapse before 2019?
I don't know, things are still a bit fuzzy. I don't think Portugal is used to a national minority government. This may not last very long at all.

Minority governments in Portugal:

1976 - PS won a plurality. Governed the first two in a parliamentary agreement with the CDS, then a formal government coalition that lasted one year. Fell once the CDS withdrew from the govenrment. A PSD+CDS+PPM coalition won the following elections with an absolute majority.

1985 - PSD won a plurality. Formed a minority government that lasted for 2 years, with PS or CDS support. Fell to a motion of no confidence. PSD went to win an absolute majority in 1987.

1995 - PS won a plurality. Lasted the entire 4 years legislature, relying on the support of either the PSD or the CDS. Went to win the following elections with a larger plurality.

1999 - Another PS plurality, now with 115 seats. Relied mostly on buying a CDS MP with pork to the municipality he was also the president (in the process, that municipality became the richest in the country). Lasted for 2 years, fell after the a bad result in the municipal elections. Lost the following elections and PSD+CDS formed an absolute majority government.

2009 - PS plurality. Lasted for 2 years, relying on PSD support. Fell after requesting and negotiating the bailout with the troika.


PS should let PSD form a minority government, wait for them to come up with an austerity budget, and promptly refuse to vote it. Then new elections would be called, and PS would be well positioned to win them.

Perhaps, but I find it doubtful. There has been an almost 10 points swing between the PS and the coalition in the last six months and I'm not sure what is going to reverse that trend now - surely not something that would be seen as creating  instability so soon. Portugal is already doing fiscal easing this year and it's very unlikely that the fiscal stance will change back in the next ones. The differences between any PSD or PS budget will only be in details because the country as a very tight budgetary rope to walk, barring violations of the EFC.

PS/PCP/BE - 50.87%
PSD/CDS - 38.55%

These results are incredibly frustrating. By all accounts, the Portugese right was given a good thrashing and yet they will likely return to power...

I've said in the other thread that this isn't a proper analytical grid to apply to Portugal and that people shouldn't expect a government coalition between the PS and the far-left parties. There's a reason why it never happened in 40 years, in spite of many opportunities.

At the end of the day, the PS is much closer to the PSD and  the CDS than to the BE or the PCP. Those parties have no interest in entering governments because that would probably mean death to them, or at least a serious coma a la Lib Dems in the UK- and these elections showed once again how hard is life in Portugal for non-established parties. Perhaps it'd make more sense to see the BE and PCP as analogous to the FN in France.
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Mogrovejo
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 04:59:00 PM »

Perhaps it'd make more sense to see the BE and PCP as analogous to the FN in France.

But the FN would love to be in a government coalition, even as a junior partner.

Yeah, at least in some government coalitions, to finish off the dédiabolisation. In that sense, it's not applicable; and, of course, the two-round system single-member system means they aren't a parliamentary actor. More in the sense that they don't belong to the "party of power/governance arch", rely a bit on disaffected/protest voters who aren't easy to label from an ideological prism and have a platform that isn't easy to juggle with the other parties.
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Mogrovejo
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 05:42:01 PM »

Quite cool indeed. Wonder if they're anything like PvdD. Seem less radical to me though.

This result is proof that D'Hondt in 40-50 seats constituencies is one of the best systems we've got. I find it particularly fitting that PAN is also the better polling "small party" nationally.

They want to change the civil code to recognize animals as a third type of person (besides individual and collective ones), create a special subsidy for families with pets plus tax credits for veterinary care, criminalize roadkill, ban animals in circuses, hunting, bullfights, animal testing and fishing methods that cause unnecessary suffering, introduce alternative medicine and yoga in the public healthcare system, free distribution of menstrual cups and restriction of sanitary napkins and tampons, mandatory vegan meals in canteens and a 20% increase in the minimum salary. I've been reading plenty of chatter on social networks about them being anti-vax but didn't find anything whatsoever about vaccination in their program and stated positions- probably a position hold by individual members.

I didn't notice them in the last 4 years besides the occasional flag in anti-bullfights manifs and the former president quitting the party altogether accusing it of becoming too focused on company pets. I suspect plentiful of their electoral support comes from protest-y voters.
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Mogrovejo
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 06:12:39 PM »

Quite cool indeed. Wonder if they're anything like PvdD. Seem less radical to me though.

This result is proof that D'Hondt in 40-50 seats constituencies is one of the best systems we've got. I find it particularly fitting that PAN is also the better polling "small party" nationally.

They want to change the civil code to recognize animals as a third type of person (besides individual and collective ones), create a special subsidy for families with pets plus tax credits for veterinary care, criminalize roadkill, ban animals in circuses, hunting, bullfights, animal testing and fishing methods that cause unnecessary suffering, introduce alternative medicine and yoga in the public healthcare system, free distribution of menstrual cups and restriction of sanitary napkins and tampons, mandatory vegan meals in canteens and a 20% increase in the minimum salary. I've been reading plenty of chatter on social networks about them being anti-vax but didn't find anything whatsoever about vaccination in their program and stated positions- probably a position hold by individual members.

I didn't notice them in the last 4 years besides the occasional flag in anti-bullfights manifs and the former president quitting the party altogether accusing it of becoming too focused on company pets. I suspect plentiful of their electoral support comes from protest-y voters.
The Dutch PvdD attracts a strange mix of on the one hand rich yuppies in inner cities and affluent suburbs (even quite some people who used to vote VVD before) and on the other hand anti-establishment protest voters in poor, peripherical areas. Wonder if it's the same with this party.

The PvdD is really focused on anti-globalism and "economic degrowth", explicity linking animal rights views to views regarding sustainability, arguing that it's the very framework and all-encompassing discourse of growth that leads to both the suffering of animals and the destruction of our planet. Does PAN share this worldview? Does it explicitly address the same points?

There are some neo-malthusian and degrowth undertones at some points, mostly in a chapter where they propose the "reorientation" of the TTIP and they included a Howard Zinn quote in the introduction, but it doesn't seem they emphasized that aspect at all. Their campaign was more based on bread and butter issues. With only 77K votes, it's a bit difficult to discern any demographic patterns. They got their best results in urban areas - top 3 districts were Algarve, Lisboa and Porto- but with no discernible pattern at municipal/parish level. My guess it that it's a mix between bourgeois-bohemians and people who simply feel good voting for a party that cares about pets and animals.
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